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    Default Finding that tenth of a second

    I saw this video and thought I would share. It's really really well done.

    Shows the difference between a good driver and a great driver, how someone is finding that 1 second on you, when it looks like he is doing exactly the same thing.

    And proves how 1-2 feet here and there makes such a huge difference.

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    Nice vid .. A lot of it has to do with the slower guy steering it like a street car. Lazy, slow turn ins make for bigger, slower arcs.​Brakes are for steering, steering is for braking.

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    When I was on the track earlier this year with Travis in the side by side, he was showing me this exact thing. I showed him where I would set up for a corner, using my reasoning that I didn't need to use the whole track because I could carry my speed without braking..... my reasoning being that if I could make my actual track lap distance shorter by a few feet every corner I would be faster. He pointed out that by doing that I was turning the wheel harder than I needed to and scrubbing more speed than I had to..... add that up on half the corners on the track and it makes a difference. So while I thought I was being smart and using less distance I am really giving up speed on all the corners I cut, and while the distance travelled is greater by using the whole track, I would be carrying more speed through the corners which will have an exponential effect.

    It was a real, oh yeah! Moment.... kinda like when greg showed me how to do temptation. The more laps I turn, the less often I have these OH YEAH moments, so it was super neat to get another perspective from someone else who races 'slow' cars fast

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    I spend most of my time on track now trying to turn the wheel as little as possible and trying to get it as straight as possible as soon as possible.

    Spent 3 hours the other night on watkins glen in a C7R doing this, still trying to find half a second though haha.
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    What is your virtual lap time at the glen?

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    awful teeth

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbg View Post
    What is your virtual lap time at the glen?
    1:46.1

    I think in Radical SR3 I was running 1:47 if I remember correctly. Tyler was running 1:50 in real life too, which is impressive.
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    Nice one.

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    Very nice.

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    ya james when you took me for a rip in the RX8 i noticed how little you steered. well at least in the direction of the corner, lol

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    I'm confused. Are you talking about real cars on a real track?
    I think this guy is talking about or comparing two laps done in a simulator right?
    It's not for real, like pulling Gs on the track?


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    The theory and implementation is the same in the game as in real life.

    I'd like to go back to the data or see video of some races I did to see where I was a second off the pace. Driving harder didn't help, most of the data was the same, just small places make a huge difference.

    I also like how he pointed out how the faster guy was actually lighter on the brakes but carried them further into the corner.

    This is something else I have worked on recently, I noticed this a few years ago, braking super hard and late wasn't as effective for me as lighter braking.
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    Except for one huge factor, the 'Fear Factor' but it's cool.
    I need one of those simulator computer. Join the fun


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    Yes for sure, but you can apply a lot of these techniques without changing that fear quotient. In fact some of them will reduce the fear as you'll have more reaction time, more track etc.
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    Sim racing is great for putting in a lot of time and working on your mindset. It will translate on track as well.

    I'm not driven by fear on the track. Just and understanding of the stakes... But competition in sim means there are consequences when you screw up. When I started karting I felt similar nerves to what I felt in the Chump car. Dozens of races later, I just go out and drive around.

    The volume of time and consistancy of the experience means you can work towards being very fast and very consistent. The holy grail.
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    Agree with you I do


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    I remember my first real race. Nervous as fuck.

    Now I can jump in race car mid way into a race unknown conditions (car or track) and zero nerves just go!

    I'm ruined!
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