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    LOL several people have already suggested that one...
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    Lol fuck. Nice weld son.

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    put a clearbra product over the tube.
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    It all seems insanely pedantic (I'm sure that is part of the appeal to some individuals), but the reality is that organizers and officials are liable for their decisions and their decisions need to be consistent with the rules if they are to be covered by event insurance. The reasonableness of the rules is another matter altogether.

    When an organization constructs a narrative that its rules are the safest, its drivers the best, etc. it sets itself up for rigidity and an inability to change. When it goes farther to say that a deviation from its rules is a "reduction in safety", it has pretty much let the concrete set around its feet.

    Personally, I find the rules that govern MCO events incredibly problematic. Instead of being written in a manner that facilitates compliance through the communication of clear obligations and the attribution of those obligations, they create ambiguity as to what the obligations are and to whom they belong. They have gotten better over the years, but much remains to be done.

    As an organizer, I'd prefer to see each discipline's rules broken into two documents: obligations borne by the participant (vehicle conditions, helmet, personal safety gear, etc.); and obligations of the even organizers/officials. Right now, it's not clear who owns what and in some cases, its very difficult to verify compliance.

    Am I ready to go fight a battle with ASN over it? Nope.
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    Agreed Naresh that simplicity and clarity should be the goal. But at the end of the day a line is drawn and must be followed, unless someone takes on the responsibility of changing where that line is drawn.

    No one comes up with these rules out of thin air, and I'd venture to say some should be updated in lieu of how much faster vehicles are today and what that increase in speed means to safety equipment.

    There are two examples of new rules that people fought tooth and nail against over the last decade:
    1) Head and neck restraints. I personally thing someone would be a fool not to wear one when racing, especially after going into the barriers twice in 7 years of racing. Both times without even a bruise or a sore neck.
    2) Rain lights. After Saturday's race I can see why this rule was mandated by the region. Would have been nice if my competitors had been using theirs (for those that had them) on Saturday. I know a couple of people commented on being able to see me well because mine was on. There was a hell of a lot of spray coming into 10 with low visibility on light coloured cars.
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    Those are good examples. The first is about personal safety and the second is about choices that affect everyone. In my view, that differentiation should be lead to different treatment in the rules.

    For Head and Neck: Could be strongly encouraged, but not a requirement.

    Rainlight: Must be installed. If it doesn't work during the race, black flag.
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    No headlights
    no brake lights
    just a rain light



    and flames out the exhaust

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    Totally agreed on rain light; however, they should allow the car to run without unless raining. Many cars don't go out in the rain anyway (stock cars need to be torn down and cleaned afterwards, many don't have defogger, and in some cases lack of decent rain tire availability).

    As for HANS, you would be dumb to race without it IMHO.

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    belts were a suggestion once upon a time too. wear the head and neck device you fool. how is this even a topic.
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    Did someone actually read my comment as a suggestion that a head and neck device is not something that every driver should wear? I bought one for my wife so I feel better when she's in the passenger seat.

    The question for the organizer/promoter is whether to require it and potentially create a barrier to entry while reducing the chance of serious injury or death at your event, or to let people choose based on their own tolerance for risk.

    It could be argued that to the extent a HANS-like device allows a person to walk-away, it is advantageous to everyone as green flag action will resume more quickly relative to extraction of unconscious person with serious head and neck damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmoo View Post
    Did someone actually read my comment as a suggestion that a head and neck device is not something that every driver should wear? I bought one for my wife so I feel better when she's in the passenger seat.

    The question for the organizer/promoter is whether to require it and potentially create a barrier to entry while reducing the chance of serious injury or death at your event, or to let people choose based on their own tolerance for risk.

    It could be argued that to the extent a HANS-like device allows a person to walk-away, it is advantageous to everyone as green flag action will resume more quickly relative to extraction of unconscious person with serious head and neck damage.
    Ya. And i still read that you don't require it. Put down the lawyer pants and slip into something more comfy.

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    It was well written. I'm never selling my HANS


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    There is over for sale on MCO if someone is looking. $400
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    It's a sa2010 for 10% off or you can buy the new ones from that British website for 350.


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    The question for the organizer/promoter is whether to require it and potentially create a barrier to entry while reducing the chance of serious injury or death at your event, or to let people choose based on their own tolerance for risk.

    That's not even a question anymore. And to suggest it's advantageous only to get back to green flag racing sooner is gross. Stop hurting the drivers is the goal.

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    There is a difference between stating that a trade-off exists and the belief that it's a good trade-off, let alone advocating for it.

    What kind of pants do you think made head and neck restraints a requirement?
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    Pants?
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    Jethro:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Morelap View Post
    Put down the lawyer pants and slip into something more comfy.
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    Oh. Lol. K.
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    I guess there is a difference between stupid and not stupid too, why give it a voice.

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