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    Always do it. Thanks for the compliment physk.

    You should do it in racecar. Saves tranny and diff of hard shocks. And makes things so smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    ya FWIW I do it instinctively whenever driving manual now.. Sort of strange, became a habit
    I've managed to somewhat do it in the Sunfire. I think the pedal placement is more conducive to it, but forget it in the Matrix. It's a little weird with the Drive-By-Wire throttle too.
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    I always heel toe on track and almost never on the street. I brake very very light on the street and don't get the brake pedal deep enough to roll on the throttle. Most of the time.
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    What Luker said. It's much more difficult when lightly braking then going all the way down


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    Brake harder. It is better for the brakes. Get them up to temp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luker View Post
    I always heel toe on track and almost never on the street. I brake very very light on the street and don't get the brake pedal deep enough to roll on the throttle. Most of the time.
    Valid point. I let the engine do most of the work most of the time. Basically just using the brake pedal to activate the brake lights. It might explain why when I changed my rotors and pads at 100,000 kms, they were only half-worn. lol.
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    Brakes are much cheaper than a clutch.
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    Passengers don't like slamming their heads into the dash when you over braked. That's why I have a race car, I leave the hooligan driving on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario View Post
    What Luker said. It's much more difficult when lightly braking then going all the way down
    Lol can't remember who's car I was driving but it was pretty recently.. Just about ate the steering wheel coming up to a light.

    Ooops too much brake

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    Quote Originally Posted by luker View Post
    Passengers don't like slamming their heads into the dash when you over braked. That's why I have a race car, I leave the hooligan driving on the track.
    It's a car, not your living room couch mister driving 160 in a Subruban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Also did it like Greg explained. Having good shoes made this even easier.

    If I could do it in a Miata with my size 12, anyone should be able to. My BRZ was so easy, pedals were very nicely placed for this stock

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    My size 13's worked in the Miata... had to bend the gas pedal a bit to make everything fit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tellum View Post
    My size 13's worked in the Miata... had to bend the gas pedal a bit to make everything fit though.
    That was also key. I dont remember what way I bent it but it helped.

    Back then they made them pedals out of metal too, not plastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightymousetech View Post
    It's a car, not your living room couch mister driving 160 in a Subruban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Morelap View Post
    I struggled trying to do that with the ball of my foot on the brake pedal and couldn't reach properly. Works better with my 'toe' on the brake pedal and just lean the side of the foot onto the gas.
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    I've always done it how Greg explains it. Not so much in my automatic, but hey it rev matches for me on downshift.
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    This.

    When I was struggling to make more time, forced myself to learn it, made me smoother and faster. Ended up being more of a foot roll.
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    Also did it like Greg explained. Having good shoes made this even easier.

    If I could do it in a Miata with my size 12, anyone should be able to. My BRZ was so easy, pedals were very nicely placed for this stock

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    I use the Greg technique. Modified the pedal in the Miata to make it work, the Mini is just about perfect as is.

    I still can't left foot brake effectively. It's what separates the fast kids from the mid-pack in Formula Vee.
    ^This. It's SO easy in a BMW - the pedal position is perfect. should be a nice easy roll of the foot, keep your toe on the brake.


    Don't do it much on the street, typically only 3-2 shift.

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    I rev match on the street. no real need to heel toe driving around. I can take almost all urban road corners at traffic speed if i really wanted to.

    There isnt much braking involved street driving the MINI.



    When i was tracking I would heel/toe. when i was into drifting heel/toe really didnt do much, but you would left foot brake a lot, even while under power.


    When I did it in the s13/miata I would have almost the middle of my foot on the brake -just under the ball- and actually rotate my leg to press my heel on the gas. Is that why my ankle clicks like a mofo now?
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    I find it really helps to always do it. After a while, you don't even have to think about it, it just happens naturally.
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    Agreed. I stated off doing it at every gear change. Now I don't even think about it, just happens. Becomes muscle memory.
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    Yeah the BMW pedals are setup well for the toe roll. The racecar not so much. May have to look at moving the pedals around a bit.

    This got me curious, so I looked at some of the data from the racecar last year. The car never felt upset when downshifting (except into beak the odd time) but you can clearly see it did affect the wheel speed when downshifting. But comparing it to upshifts, its really not that bad. Anyone else have any data theyd like to share?
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    If I'm reading that graph right, you are going too slow in 6/7

    I might have data would have to check the laptop
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