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    Just curious how many of you guys heel/toe downshift at lapping days?? I don't need to with the racecar because the engine spins up fast enough and doesn't upset the car too much except into 2nd gear.

    Gonna bring the new BMW out to a couple evening sessions this year and I've been practicing heel/toe. I can tell the BMW has alot more engine braking and Ill likely need to heel/toe.

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    I don't. Not smart enough. And toes too big.

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    Do all the time with the C6. It's pretty easy to heel-and-toe. Don't want to be shocking the transmission and differential.

    A couple of years ago I blew my S2000's differential. I think hard autocross launches were the main factor (had previously blown my diff mounts at autocross), but I wasn't heel-toeing all the time it because the pedal position made it hard. C6 is easy to heel-toe so I have religion on it.

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    I struggled trying to do that with the ball of my foot on the brake pedal and couldn't reach properly. Works better with my 'toe' on the brake pedal and just lean the side of the foot onto the gas.
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    I've always done it how Greg explains it. Not so much in my automatic, but hey it rev matches for me on downshift.

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    I never quite understood the technique... And I've never done lapping, so no point really.

    I'll just stick to double-clutching like I should. It really helps prevent Danger to Manifold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Morelap View Post
    I struggled trying to do that with the ball of my foot on the brake pedal and couldn't reach properly. Works better with my 'toe' on the brake pedal and just lean the side of the foot onto the gas.
    This.

    When I was struggling to make more time, forced myself to learn it, made me smoother and faster. Ended up being more of a foot roll.

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    I do...side-of-foot style.

    Works when I'm not thinking about it...when that starts, all manner of things could happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mphysk View Post
    I don't. Not smart enough. And toes too big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tellum View Post
    I've always done it how Greg explains it. Not so much in my automatic, but hey it rev matches for me on downshift.
    Also did it like Greg explained. Having good shoes made this even easier.

    If I could do it in a Miata with my size 12, anyone should be able to. My BRZ was so easy, pedals were very nicely placed for this stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Morelap View Post
    I struggled trying to do that with the ball of my foot on the brake pedal and couldn't reach properly. Works better with my 'toe' on the brake pedal and just lean the side of the foot onto the gas.
    I agree. The technique should be the same, but pedal locations make it easier one way or the other.
    Heres some fancy footwork...

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    I always heel/toe, even on the street.

    If the wheels are not locking up if you downshift without it, you are not using the brakes to their full potential.
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    I use the Greg technique. Modified the pedal in the Miata to make it work, the Mini is just about perfect as is.

    I still can't left foot brake effectively. It's what separates the fast kids from the mid-pack in Formula Vee.

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    I have too, my clutch is so brutal, it almost locks the diff when downshifting. To train, I've force myself to match every gear when I daily drive. I've installed a custom gas pedal on my cars so I can grab the gas pedal with the side of the foot. It's more like rolling the foot. Now it's a habit and don't think about it, I just do it all the time


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    Yep I use my ankle for throttle. All depends on the car's pedal positions right. For my situation it's too easy, I've brought passengers for ride doing reg matching etc, and when they saw me get out of the car in Flip Flops they were like WTF, actually easier!

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    Lol.. I've tried heel/toe, but my feet just aren't coordinated. I'm overthinking it too.

    People just think I don't know how to drive stick when I try it. I press too hard on all pedals like a dumb ape. Wheels chrip/lock-up while engine revs to redline, lol. It's not pretty. Or I'll grind the gear because I let out the clutch before I've actually shifted. I dunno.. I just said fuck this, I'll stick to reading comic books, lol.

    I'll lap when I get a car with flappy paddles, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karmaboy View Post
    I use the Greg technique.
    I think I've heard it refered to as Toe/Toe? ...and yes same, both Mini and Z06 I couldn't figure out how to place foot for heel/toe so did foot-rolly toe/toe thing

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    Nobody is perfect when first starting. This is why you really should not do it if only trying to do it on track. You are just going to make a mess of your driving. Practice, practice, practice.
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    I even heel & toe when I drive gran turismo and it works with the game

    what Mighty said. It's super difficult at first


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    ya FWIW I do it instinctively whenever driving manual now.. Sort of strange, became a habit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario View Post
    I even heel & toe when I drive gran turismo and it works with the game

    what Mighty said. It's super difficult at first
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