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karmaboy
August 4th, 2014, 04:41pm
I decided that this is my last season in the Vee.
Its been fun...but I've lost interest. With 5/6 races at Mosport, its been pretty much the same thing every weekend, every season. And its a long tow.

What's next?
This is my criteria;
- small rear wheel drive, although will consider a Mini Cooper
- normally aspirated
- Good car for GT challenge, and Lapping. Not going to do anymore regionals.
- Caged, built race car.
- If a miata...then Spec Miata or D-Prep
- $10-15K
- Dependable, bulletproof.
- Probably not a GT1 car...I prefer the momentum style cars

This is interesting.
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=30313
S52, stripped, caged. Basically meets the needs. Would prefer the S54
Could talk him down to $10K...but the engine is questionable.
Pix I got from the guy.
23451

wing
August 4th, 2014, 04:48pm
Radical? Run libre and lapping

karmaboy
August 4th, 2014, 04:52pm
Radical? Run libre and lapping
Not out of the question.
A faster car than I'm comfortable with...but could certainly grow into it.

wing
August 4th, 2014, 04:55pm
Buy that guys pro sport, must still be for sale.

You'd be fast immediately, I'm a big chicken still need to find 4 seconds :(

That s2k for $10k might be an option (posted in the track car thread).

Jethro
August 4th, 2014, 04:59pm
Check I12XLR8's next track car thread. That guy was willing to sell that car @ 9k or a bit less in the spring. Engine needed work then according to him.

Pat Mcdermott of mco was talking about selling his M3. Maybe he was serious?

Pete
August 4th, 2014, 05:36pm
My pick would be Cooper or Miata.

Can be driven to the track, fairly fast, pretty low consumables costs(tires, brakes, fuel) and parts are easily available for maintenance for cheap too.

I'd even add a 2006+ Civic Si to that list. 200hp and LSD from the factory.

wing
August 4th, 2014, 05:45pm
Pats M3 is SMG yuck

Jethro
August 4th, 2014, 05:57pm
Pats M3 is SMG yuck

Orly? Hmmm.

Chris916
August 4th, 2014, 06:10pm
That z3 would be fun. s52's are bulletproof. Throw a set of cams and you can make easy reliable 240whp.

karmaboy
August 4th, 2014, 06:27pm
That z3 would be fun. s52's are bulletproof. Throw a set of cams and you can make easy reliable 240whp.
Good to know.
This one has been beaten a bit as a time attack/lapping car. But you guys have proven that these BMW's can take it.

karmaboy
August 4th, 2014, 06:34pm
Check I12XLR8's next track car thread. That guy was willing to sell that car @ 9k or a bit less in the spring. Engine needed work then according to him.

Pat Mcdermott of mco was talking about selling his M3. Maybe he was serious?

Love me M3's...one of the guys I share the paddock with at CTMP is running an M3 in the Sprints.
This one in fact...
http://bit.ly/1APDk8a
Cool car...a bit scary.
And is looking for about $40K for it.

Andre
August 4th, 2014, 06:52pm
High end of your budget can get you a 385hp Z06 out of the states, if not that certainly a FRC Vette.

I'm clearly a Vette sack rider here, but it's a pretty tough vehicle to beat from a value point of view to a grassroots racer... Not to mention it's a (very) competitive car in stock form. No modding, no BS. Turn key and go, drive it to work the next morning.

GoP-Demon
August 4th, 2014, 07:18pm
A little out of range unless you hunt hard, but there was 1 or 2 FRS's in the 16k range.

maybe rx8 2009 and up... I think that's when the engine added the extra oil lubrication for more reliability.

Slick
August 4th, 2014, 07:40pm
maybe rx8 2009 and up... I think that's when the engine added the extra oil lubrication for more reliability.

No such thing as a reliable stock-engined RX-8. Pull all the smog stuff off it, maybe but still very finicky.
But it has a phenomenal chassis though, considering the wide opening for the doors. V8 RX-8 would make for a wicked track car.

mphysk
August 4th, 2014, 09:24pm
miata + gm ecotec swap...... 200hp/200ft/lbs.
no turbo mess.
mt motorsport is working on teh conversion kit.

GoP-Demon
August 4th, 2014, 11:04pm
I was looking into the z3/z4 in may. Many called the z3 a widow maker. Most said the frame wasn't great.

I always liked the MR2 spyder, but they are way over priced in Canada(compared to the equivalent miata). You could get a 2ZZ swapped mr2 in the states for under 10k which people call the poor mans elise.

bunta
August 4th, 2014, 11:20pm
same car?

http://www.trackandtime.ca/index.php/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=191

schmoo
August 5th, 2014, 09:05am
I'd say Miata or BMW and since you've done the Miata in the past, try something new. Besides, you'll fit better in a BMW.

97gst
August 5th, 2014, 09:15am
Not sure BMW is worth the premium you'll pay for everything you'll need for it down the road...

S14 240SX, Miata and S2K would be my front runners for light FR cars. FR-S if you could find a light bump'd one for cheap.

Pete
August 5th, 2014, 09:19am
S14 240SX

I'd love me an S14... but clean chassis are getting rare, or beaten up against a wall drifting.

mikeman
August 5th, 2014, 09:25am
that red S13 I posted in the other thread is back for sale .. asking 10,900.

shlammed
August 5th, 2014, 09:25am
they are selling for premium $ too... drift tax.

Get an RX7 or an RX8 with a v8 swap. might be hard to find already done, but it would be ultimate.

pyxen
August 5th, 2014, 09:34am
miata + gm ecotec swap...... 200hp/200ft/lbs.
no turbo mess.
mt motorsport is working on teh conversion kit.

imagohere someday.

schmoo
August 5th, 2014, 09:36am
imagohere someday.

Just boost it.

Just 'cause Physk scared of boost, doesn't mean we all have to be.

pyxen
August 5th, 2014, 09:36am
I was looking into the z3/z4 in may. Many called the z3 a window maker. Most said the frame wasn't great.


FTFY

karmaboy
August 5th, 2014, 10:12am
Not sure I want any Frankensteins...V8's in small cars.

Not sure I "get" the ecotec in a Miata idea.

I don't have issues with boosted cars (Flex has ecoboost), but I'm looking for something simple, linear and not overly managed by an ECU.
The BMW inline 6 seems like a perfect motor.
Was thinking about an Audi S4 (wagon?)...but track prepared ones on rare, its heavy and AWD...and good lord...the gas.

Maybe one of those NC CTCC series Miata's? I'm sure they are pretty spendy too.

Pete
August 5th, 2014, 10:17am
BMW 128i with sport pack? It was discussed that at some point with Phil and Slick I think... I'm sure you could find one around 15k, pretty quick out the door, recent, no rust, low maintenance. Tons of suspension and brake mods too if you want.

One
August 5th, 2014, 10:18am
S4's are no good. Pigs, with alot of weight in front of the front axle to make it awd. That and too many gadgets and luxury's for a track car imo.

GoP-Demon
August 5th, 2014, 10:32am
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Scion/FR-S/Notre-Dame-Des-Pins/Quebec/5_19362229_CT200425115923837/?showcpo=ShowCPO

mmm I may have overestimated an FRS price

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Scion/FR-S/CAMBRIDGE/Ontario/19_8159578_/?showcpo=ShowCPO

michal
August 5th, 2014, 10:38am
^ lease takeovers... that price is the buyout...

mightymousetech
August 5th, 2014, 10:39am
Would love to see a stripped out 128! Tuned, header, Euro intake and you are getting near 270 hp.

pyxen
August 5th, 2014, 10:39am
Not sure I "get" the ecotec in a Miata idea.

Mike can expand a bit more, but according to him MT in toronto has been working on mating a 2.4L ecotec directly to the tranny in a miata, and it works. It's an easy swap for a new/reliable engine that makes way more power. Still gives you great weight distribution, and gas mileage, too.

I've been wondering how a BMW inline 6 would work out in a Miata..any examples of that out there?

Pete
August 5th, 2014, 10:40am
Mike can expand a bit more, but according to him MT in toronto has been working on mating a 2.4L ecotec directly to the tranny in a miata, and it works. It's an easy swap for a new/reliable engine that makes way more power. Still gives you great weight distribution, and gas mileage, too.

I've been wondering how a BMW inline 6 would work out in a Miata..any examples of that out there?

They have made a billet transmission adapter. Still a pretty easy swap from the pictures i've seen.

I6 will not fit, way too long.

pyxen
August 5th, 2014, 10:42am
that's what she said

Rainey94
August 5th, 2014, 11:12am
If you don't want reliable, naturally aspirated or anything else you were initially thinking of buy this!
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/kitchener-waterloo/1990-mazda-rx-7-single-turbo-build-coupe-2-door/1005596269?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
#MRadvice

GoP-Demon
August 5th, 2014, 11:15am
those old rotaries are weird. I remember they couldn't shut down their car after the capital city speedway autox because a rotor would get stuck or something. One guy did... and then he was out of commission for a while. Looks cool though.

tellum
August 5th, 2014, 11:17am
I vote for trying to find a clean E36. Miata's are so last week.

mikeman
August 5th, 2014, 11:19am
Mike can expand a bit more, but according to him MT in toronto has been working on mating a 2.4L ecotec directly to the tranny in a miata, and it works. It's an easy swap for a new/reliable engine that makes way more power. Still gives you great weight distribution, and gas mileage, too.

I've been wondering how a BMW inline 6 would work out in a Miata..any examples of that out there?

why not the 2.3L ford/mazda/volvo engine? keep it in the 'family' ?

Pete
August 5th, 2014, 11:25am
why not the 2.3L ford/mazda/volvo engine? keep it in the 'family' ?

For more power, other than going F/I, not much was done N/A for these motors AFAIK.

One
August 5th, 2014, 11:49am
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/ottawa/2004-bmw-m3-coupe-grey-on-red-leather/601718538?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

GoP-Demon
August 5th, 2014, 11:51am
hmmm he said he's sure the first guy to see it would get it. 4000 views since Jun 11.

mikeman
August 5th, 2014, 11:54am
so 8500$

One
August 5th, 2014, 11:58am
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/ottawa/1988-porsche-944-turbo-s-coupe-2-door-race-car-track-car/1002608063?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

tellum
August 5th, 2014, 12:05pm
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/ottawa/1988-porsche-944-turbo-s-coupe-2-door-race-car-track-car/1002608063?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Video taken at 1morelap event...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRDxERyqbr0

mikeman
August 5th, 2014, 12:31pm
http://www.racingjunk.com/NASA-Super-Touring/182220903/2000-Toytoa-Goddies-Dash-Series-C.html
23472

schmoo
August 5th, 2014, 12:34pm
NC from the CTCC would be kinda cool. Great chassis, easier to fit seats into it than an NA/NB, but more $ than an older Bimmer.

I still say 3 series with an inline 6.

I still don't understand Ecotec in Miata for this application. For a dual-purpose car, maybe, but for track dedicated, seems a like a lot frankenstein vs. a turbo.

wing
August 5th, 2014, 12:36pm
/thread?
http://www.racingjunk.com/NASA-GTS-Challenge/182256918/E30-M3-Race-Car.html

mphysk
August 5th, 2014, 12:57pm
Just missed out on this beaut:

http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread.php?13822-FS-2007-Cosworth-Supercharged-MX-5

mightymousetech
August 5th, 2014, 07:04pm
Would love to see a stripped out 128! Tuned, header, Euro intake and you are getting near 270 hp.

TheSt|G Dyno Day (You asked for it for long enough) http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1013183

Mario
August 5th, 2014, 07:40pm
I would just get an M3, the buy a new set of wide, grippy, track tires and be done with it.

1Morelap
August 5th, 2014, 07:55pm
http://www.mco.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16533

for some reason there is a 1 in front of the 6000$ price. I hope that's a typo. if not, oh well.

wing
August 5th, 2014, 08:42pm
I would just get an M3, the buy a new set of wide, grippy, track tires and be done with it.

You mean the E30 I posted right? right?

Mario
August 5th, 2014, 08:48pm
That is a nice, nice race car!

I was thinking more of the no trailer/truck combo needed kind of M3 but I like your taste in cars Sir

Andre
August 5th, 2014, 08:49pm
Karmaboy y u no Mustang/C5/LS1 F-body? Seems like any one would check all the boxes in stock-ish form...

wing
August 5th, 2014, 08:52pm
Cause he likes light momentum cars? Mustang is fun but in different way. Maybe he should change, get addicted to power?

Andre
August 5th, 2014, 09:01pm
Sounds complicated. You want to go fast cheap? That's the solution.

karmaboy
August 5th, 2014, 09:08pm
I'm more eurotrash than redneck.

Although you could argue my RS-4 is more Carrol Shelby than Dr. Porsche

wing
August 5th, 2014, 09:08pm
True but he didn't say he wanted to go fast.

Pete
August 5th, 2014, 09:08pm
You want to drive it on the street or tow it?

Exocet?

karmaboy
August 5th, 2014, 09:12pm
Tow it.
If I went Exocet..I'd go Palatov D4 (http://www.palatov.com/)
If I went Palatov...might as well go Radical.

wing
August 5th, 2014, 09:15pm
stohr

Win all the races

mikeman
August 5th, 2014, 09:30pm
buy my mustang

wing
August 5th, 2014, 09:39pm
http://www.racingjunk.com/Sports-Racer/182239950/Sports-Racer.html

GoP-Demon
August 5th, 2014, 10:04pm
reposting if you lazy

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1093567-il-00-s2000-gta-street-rwdttc/

wing
August 5th, 2014, 10:12pm
Yeah honestly that's a good deal.

tellum
August 5th, 2014, 10:14pm
Does seem crazy cheap

GoP-Demon
August 5th, 2014, 10:25pm
My guess is since the s2k was just 32k in US it seems cheaper.

Maybe throw in Audi TT...

and wild card SRT6 Crossfire, but only in auto. Secretly an AMG SLK32

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/longueuil-rive-sud/chrysler-crossfire-srt6/1004490362?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

1Morelap
August 5th, 2014, 10:28pm
Yeah honestly that's a good deal.

yah enough joking, go get.

wing
August 5th, 2014, 10:30pm
If you check his build thread you see how many times it was in the weeds and repaired lol

But as a track car, check all bearings, make sure alignment is straight and offer him $8500 done.

Only issue with s2k are expensive parts and pita clutch changes. Rest is all good.

petawawarace
August 5th, 2014, 10:33pm
I know this is because I have one, but you can't beat a Legend Car for bang/vs/buck. Parts are dirt cheap and available everywhere (either stock pieces or from a legends dealer). They are built for wheel banging on an oval track, so they are not fragile at all. If your not running "sanctioned" legends races throw a bigger bike motor in, some slicks, and some swaybars and go even faster. We've run with the libre guys and GT cars and we are running 2:28s at bogie on tires that were new at the start of last season (2 years). You can pick up used bike engines for cheap even if you do blow up. We did alot of the work ourselves and have 4-5k into ours. 8 k will buy you a really nice race ready car. Hell 15k will get you a brand new one.

If your serious let me know, I can give you more details. Might even know of one for sale.

pyxen
August 6th, 2014, 12:28am
Those legend cars are awesome..some of the body kits are insane :)

Jethro
August 6th, 2014, 05:39am
Last time I checked you can't lap with cars on lapping days with a legend.

petawawarace
August 6th, 2014, 06:04am
We have run with full size cars at bogie and shannonville. If there is an open wheel group to run with, we will. If fact, we've been told that we wouldn't be allowed to run the Ted Powell weekend or other "sanctioned" races with the libre group as the car has fenders and a roof. We would have to run GT.

Jethro
August 6th, 2014, 06:26am
Well then, things have progressed.

-=M=-
August 6th, 2014, 10:36am
High end of your budget can get you a 385hp Z06 out of the states, if not that certainly a FRC Vette.

I'm clearly a Vette sack rider here, but it's a pretty tough vehicle to beat from a value point of view to a grassroots racer... Not to mention it's a (very) competitive car in stock form. No modding, no BS. Turn key and go, drive it to work the next morning.

Winner

mphysk
August 6th, 2014, 10:38am
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28671

karmaboy
August 6th, 2014, 10:41am
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28671

Already on it.

dwarrick
August 6th, 2014, 11:09am
Used to race with Bruce. He knows his Miata's

bunta
August 6th, 2014, 11:13am
dont get another miata.. get that mcoupe mang

FilzKa
August 6th, 2014, 11:25am
I have a 1981 rx7 gsl ready for motor swap ;)

karmaboy
August 6th, 2014, 11:41am
I have a 1981 rx7 gsl ready for motor swap ;)

2 Stroke bros don't make bros buy RX7's

tellum
August 6th, 2014, 11:43am
I thought all first gen RX7's were free?

FilzKa
August 6th, 2014, 11:47am
2 Stroke bros don't make bros buy RX7's
Bahahahaha nothing wrong with a 1st gen Rex. Specially if you drop a small block in it :)

pyxen
August 6th, 2014, 12:46pm
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28671
Wow that's quite the deal! Thatd be a cool car to see go around (me) :)

iandachef
August 6th, 2014, 10:42pm
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28671

mphysk
August 6th, 2014, 10:49pm
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=28671

Yeah, look into that one

iandachef
August 6th, 2014, 10:52pm
there was a bunch race cars for sale earlier this year, and NC miata and also a is300 that seemed to have been a steal not sure if it ever sold but might be worth looking into:
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=22083&page=2

karmaboy
August 7th, 2014, 07:35am
Mcoupe guy got back to me with a offer...
Basically strip the car of any good stuff (and bring my own wheels!?!?!)
$7K
Still a good price for the car...but not much of a racecar anymore. lol.

Seems he has a line on an E46 M3 and needs to liquidate.

Jethro
August 7th, 2014, 07:56am
make him sweat. he'll change his tune.

Pete
August 7th, 2014, 07:57am
Yeah, give him the ole Curtis sweat... :lol:

wing
August 7th, 2014, 08:06am
Man people are so stupid about that. Sell it as you posted it, striping it is a waste of time

mikeman
August 7th, 2014, 08:40am
Man people are so stupid about that. Sell it as you posted it, striping it is a waste of time


LOL!!!

bunta
August 7th, 2014, 09:17am
Mcoupe guy got back to me with a offer...
Basically strip the car of any good stuff (and bring my own wheels!?!?!)
$7K
Still a good price for the car...but not much of a racecar anymore. lol.

Seems he has a line on an E46 M3 and needs to liquidate.

so same car? if so the pricing seems a little off then?


same car?

http://www.trackandtime.ca/index.php/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=191

schmoo
August 7th, 2014, 09:36am
I'd go Palatov D4 (http://www.palatov.com/)


You're too good a driver to bother with AWD for a track car. It's nice on the street, but on the track, it just says, "I need my car to be ready to save my ass."

dbg
August 7th, 2014, 09:37am
In my experience it says, "Prepare To Understeer".

GoP-Demon
August 7th, 2014, 09:40am
uh... are these used radicals and palatovs really falling into the 10-15k range?

wing
August 7th, 2014, 09:42am
Nope... well depends actually. You can get a Radical pro-sport for around that. Not an SR3 though.

schmoo
August 7th, 2014, 09:44am
Already on it.

And...? It would be good to have you back in the family.

karmaboy
August 7th, 2014, 09:49am
uh... are these used radicals and palatovs really falling into the 10-15k range?

No...they are a premium.
But lesson learned from James...you can burn a lot of cycles with a cheap race car...or you can say F@$* it and get something good and have a lot of fun with your time instead.

karmaboy
August 7th, 2014, 09:52am
And...? It would be good to have you back in the family.

Bruce McNutt's car. Stand up guy.
Its in Nova Scotia...so not easy to check it out.
Don't feel like flying out to see it and not really that horny to make a decision.

I have the luxury of time to make a decision...so pass.

wing
August 9th, 2014, 09:04am
So that BMW... He posted on CASC this morning for $8k with all the race car bits.
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=30339

Sounds like $7k with race car bits and he gets it out of his garage ;)

luker
August 9th, 2014, 09:33am
Damn too bad I own a race car already :)

karmaboy
August 9th, 2014, 10:20am
Doesn't include the carbon wing or splitter.
No lightweight battery
Anyway...bunch of stuff NIC.
Still a deal...just more work than I feel like getting into.

karmaboy
August 1st, 2016, 12:04pm
In Toronto...did some shopping this weekend.
Tried these on.
Minty SR3...never raced, with about 20 hours on it.
40831

99 VD F1600 Honda conversion
Fits perfect...ready to race.
40827

1Morelap
August 1st, 2016, 12:20pm
f1600 means you can race in the F1 grandprix right? Entry fee was 2500 this year. but f1 grandprix. Seems like a no brainer.

amiright?

Pete
August 1st, 2016, 12:26pm
You already have lots of experience with F-type cars and setup, nothing wrong with that F1600 IMHO. I'm sure you'd have a ball.

wing
August 1st, 2016, 01:22pm
Doesn't 1500cc engine require rebuild at 25-30 hours? So factor in 8k for 1340 conversion

Legacy
August 1st, 2016, 01:51pm
For a little more money RX8 that blows white smoke ?

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=33445

petawawarace
August 1st, 2016, 02:38pm
I know a guy with a car forsale.
http://forums.midnightruns.com/showthread.php?46448-Nascar-Stockcar

karmaboy
August 1st, 2016, 02:42pm
Doesn't 1500cc engine require rebuild at 25-30 hours? So factor in 8k for 1340 conversion
He told me 60 hours.
Also, I can sell the crank from the 1500, and pay for half the conversion.

wing
August 1st, 2016, 02:44pm
Is it red? Front splitter part of body or seperate

karmaboy
August 1st, 2016, 02:47pm
Orange. Seperate.
John Coey? He has a bunch of Porsches he'd rather race.

wing
August 1st, 2016, 02:50pm
Don't know that one. Sounds good. Go fast lol

Ask Matt.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 03:38pm
I'd go f1600, if I wasn't so fat

wing
August 1st, 2016, 04:30pm
For a little more money RX8 that blows white smoke ?

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=33445

LOL I'll sell mine for 1/2 that. Bam! And doesn't smoke.

karmaboy
August 1st, 2016, 05:50pm
Yeah...I'm really crushing on that F1600. It's like it was made for me.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 05:51pm
It's a sexy car

wing
August 1st, 2016, 05:56pm
You only live once just buy it man.

petawawarace
August 1st, 2016, 07:00pm
I always found the 1600s expensive for what they are. If you want to run in the series, then I can kinda see it. If it's for FLibre, I think a Radical or Renault would be a better bang for your buck.
It sounds like the radical series is doing quite well. I vote Radical. After you buy my car for GT races of course.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 09:10pm
I would do what Greg said

Radicals are good but can be just as expensive I think if not more

1Morelap
August 1st, 2016, 09:24pm
oh yah, marks F renault thing is for sale. he keeps texting it to me.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 09:25pm
oh yah, marks F renault thing is for sale. he keeps texting it to me.

You should buy it

1Morelap
August 1st, 2016, 09:26pm
now figo is texting me about it.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 09:29pm
You're fast, you would do well.

I'll provide the bud light girls

figo
August 1st, 2016, 09:29pm
And don't think I'll let you go overtake me so easy

wing
August 1st, 2016, 09:31pm
The 98?

1Morelap
August 1st, 2016, 09:39pm
ya. but this is about kevin. let him in on this.

figo
August 1st, 2016, 09:40pm
No


You're too light james

karmaboy
August 2nd, 2016, 07:18am
ya. but this is about kevin. let him in on this.
too much car for me.
+ looking for a series car...Radical guys seem to be having fun, and F1600 is a logical next step for me.

karmaboy
August 19th, 2016, 07:16am
this should probably go in one of the "things I'm blah, blah about"

First time in a long time I'm not racing at Ted Powell weekend. Bummed.
I'm obviously between racecars, but had rented a ride to race with the F1200 kids this weekend.
Their series is having some car count issues (part of the reason I sold mine), and the series organizer seems to be pissed with the Ted Powell organizer. So despite committing it to their schedule, they bailed and replaced it with a Watkin's Glen event in September.
I don't care about the politics. I guess I'll save my ched for the next car.

figo
August 19th, 2016, 01:34pm
save ched for race car

Pete
August 19th, 2016, 01:42pm
save ched for race car

Body in mini is good? Gut, cage, race mini? They seem to be pretty damn fast once prepped.

mightymousetech
August 19th, 2016, 02:21pm
https://www.chumpcarcanada.com/events.php

http://www.chumpcar.com/events.php

Just sayin.....

karmaboy
August 19th, 2016, 04:12pm
Body in mini is good? Gut, cage, race mini? They seem to be pretty damn fast once prepped.

I'm afraid Mini is a timebomb. No wanna throw money at it.


Chump

Too much heartbreak in Chump.

mightymousetech
August 19th, 2016, 04:36pm
Too much heartbreak in Chump.

Not if you do it right. ;)

Wookie
August 19th, 2016, 07:13pm
I was looking at Chump rules, cause I saw one of these the other day.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/ab1df7c0a8f39a70f3ee0984701863b9.jpg

It's not listed on the chump car list, but assuming it's the same as a grand am of that year, 1991, it's only a 200 point car. 190hp quad 4 motor. 5 spd, and 2800lbs before gutting.

If it stayed together would be a fun ride me thinks - with 300 points of upgrades available.

wing
August 19th, 2016, 07:18pm
Nope.

If starting from scratch, Miata, or BMW or civic are the winning cars.

Expect to spend $20k for a competitive car.

figo
August 19th, 2016, 07:23pm
K

I'll sell you my seat in chump, you'd be a proud shared owner of a 90's neon with a pretty custom dash I made :)

ballsout
August 19th, 2016, 09:00pm
I was looking at Chump rules, cause I saw one of these the other day.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/ab1df7c0a8f39a70f3ee0984701863b9.jpg

It's not listed on the chump car list, but assuming it's the same as a grand am of that year, 1991, it's only a 200 point car. 190hp quad 4 motor. 5 spd, and 2800lbs before gutting.

If it stayed together would be a fun ride me thinks - with 300 points of upgrades available.

Fucking Calais quad 442. Shoulda bought the one I checked out when I was 17. Was an awesome car.

canmachine
August 19th, 2016, 09:07pm
You would be replacing head gaskets every 20 laps on the quad 4. Not great engines from those years.

Wookie
August 19th, 2016, 09:15pm
You would be replacing head gaskets every 20 laps on the quad 4. Not great engines from those years.

Had one, (1991 Grand AM GT) and did it on mine. Upgrading the head studs fixed it. They stretched too easy.

Was a fast 4 banger for its time.

wing
August 25th, 2016, 06:35pm
Wutz up with minis? Collecting them? Or making race car

karmaboy
August 25th, 2016, 08:37pm
Lol. It's in good shape. Might be my winter beater.

karmaboy
August 28th, 2016, 07:50am
41346

karmaboy
September 25th, 2016, 02:34pm
Went and tried this on today.
98 Van Dieman...a really great chassis...but known to be super tight.
Drove to Kingston, to see if I even fit before considering it.
Fits like a glove...like it was built for me.

Pros- nicely sorted by a guy who knows what he's doing.
Cons- Ford Kent engine that is a bit suspect. Runs and idles really nice, but the owner fessed up about a cooling issue that he hasn't figured out.
I'm still looking for a Honda setup, but the price is right on this one and could be a cheap way to race next year.
Hmmm....decisions.

41876

Yeah...the graphics will need to go.

Pete
September 25th, 2016, 02:43pm
Petes 2 cents...

Hold out for a Honda setup, not a stepping stone and temporary thing? Not to mention the trouble of keeping that one up and running until you find the right one.

wing
September 25th, 2016, 03:04pm
F4 WITH k20 at track buy that

wing
September 25th, 2016, 03:29pm
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160925/7e4d870b5e30c6a1d81aab01d83f3792.jpg

dwarrick
September 25th, 2016, 05:08pm
Fuuuuuuuuu

karmaboy
September 25th, 2016, 05:11pm
too spendy for me

97gst
September 25th, 2016, 05:15pm
F4 WITH k20 at track buy that
How much?

wing
September 25th, 2016, 05:30pm
100?

97gst
September 25th, 2016, 05:31pm
I'd buy two for $100!

Mario
September 25th, 2016, 05:45pm
Serious 100k?

karmaboy
September 26th, 2016, 07:22am
http://www.mygale-cars.com/our-race-cars/formula-4/

$45K for a roller
+taxes
+shipping from French land
+race prepared motor
+tires

Jethro
September 26th, 2016, 08:30am
Mini is cheaper

figo
September 26th, 2016, 09:36am
Driver of f4 did best 2:16, first day at cmp. his face was priceless when he asked what were my times lol

figo
September 26th, 2016, 09:39am
Went and tried this on today.
98 Van Dieman...a really great chassis...but known to be super tight.
Drove to Kingston, to see if I even fit before considering it.
Fits like a glove...like it was built for me.

Pros- nicely sorted by a guy who knows what he's doing.
Cons- Ford Kent engine that is a bit suspect. Runs and idles really nice, but the owner fessed up about a cooling issue that he hasn't figured out.
I'm still looking for a Honda setup, but the price is right on this one and could be a cheap way to race next year.
Hmmm....decisions.

41876

Yeah...the graphics will need to go.

jealous.. and hate you for fitting in it.

karmaboy
September 26th, 2016, 09:47am
jealous.. and hate you for fitting in it.

lol.
This was the year they said F@ck it...we are making the sleekest car possible.
Its notorious for being useless to try and draft...just super narrow.
Unfortunately, only 15 yr old boys and jockeys fit in it.
I was sitting on the floor and could just manage the pedals.
Still not sure I can do the 3-4 shift in race trim... no room for my elbow. Could probably do a thumb down wrist twist and make it work.

figo
September 26th, 2016, 09:53am
lol.
This was the year they said F@ck it...we are making the sleekest car possible.
Its notorious for being useless to try and draft...just super narrow.
Unfortunately, only 15 yr old boys and jockeys fit in it.
I was sitting on the floor and could just manage the pedals.
Still not sure I can do the 3-4 shift in race trim... no room for my elbow. Could probably do a thumb down wrist twist and make it work.

my favorite open wheel, I'd cut my hand off and get a robot hand to shift.

wing
September 26th, 2016, 10:00am
He got down to 2:10 yesterday

petawawarace
September 26th, 2016, 10:09am
Weren't the F2000's running right around 2:00 flat? The F4 car should be faster.
Who was it?

wing
September 26th, 2016, 10:16am
It should be faster. The Renault's are 2:08ish the Atlantics 2 flat. It was a kid from the US first time in the car and at the track.

I assume he is prepping for next season. Couldn't be more than 18?

figo
September 26th, 2016, 10:21am
was a kid from the US but not first time in car

karmaboy
October 13th, 2016, 02:33pm
Oh mama...this would be perfect. If it wasn't $65K usd.
2014 Spectrum FF.
I love that color

.4222742228

figo
October 13th, 2016, 02:41pm
sell one of your children

wing
October 13th, 2016, 04:02pm
So overpriced

sb_915
October 13th, 2016, 04:50pm
Shoulda bought Geoff's car.

petawawarace
October 13th, 2016, 05:34pm
Should buy Jeff's car.

Fixed.

petawawarace
October 13th, 2016, 05:36pm
So overpriced

Agree. You can get a lot more car for that type of coin. But if you wanna run that series, you gotta pay.

sb_915
October 13th, 2016, 05:40pm
Fixed.
Yes. YES! Do that.

It's so... Not you... Its you!

dwarrick
October 16th, 2016, 05:21pm
Open wheels look funny without wings. Still a sexy car though

karmaboy
October 16th, 2016, 08:37pm
This is F1600. 3 times a weekend...6 times a year.


https://youtu.be/WTAR9jdBKpk

pyxen
October 16th, 2016, 10:58pm
f'in crazy.

One
October 17th, 2016, 09:20am
This is F1600. 3 times a weekend...6 times a year.


https://youtu.be/WTAR9jdBKpk

Its like racing super high tech coffins.

Wildly... considerate?

figo
October 17th, 2016, 09:31am
going in 3 was tight

karmaboy
October 24th, 2016, 02:26pm
Stohr built a F1600 back in the day...who knew.
Kinda weird looking...interesting how the rad is forward the driver and right in the center.

42446
42447
42448
42449

tellum
October 24th, 2016, 02:34pm
I like it. You buy!

figo
October 24th, 2016, 03:33pm
Oh mama...this would be perfect. If it wasn't $65K usd.
2014 Spectrum FF.
I love that color

.4222742228

no, buy this

figo
October 24th, 2016, 04:28pm
It's twice the price but worth it??

karmaboy
October 24th, 2016, 04:48pm
Well...its a Honda which is one of my checkboxes.
Still too much coin...I'll have to find an older chassis with the Honda conversion done.

FWIW...as pretty as Spectrums appear...they are surprisingly rough looking in terms of finish build quality. Brackets, welds, etc are gross and unfinished.
Similarly priced cars like the Piper and MyGale have much nicer finishes...given the price.

petawawarace
October 24th, 2016, 05:18pm
Are you looking for something to race a series with, or just libre/lapping days?

karmaboy
October 24th, 2016, 06:55pm
Are you looking for something to race a series with, or just libre/lapping days?

Start with libre to learn the car then jump to the Toyo F1600 series.

figo
October 27th, 2016, 09:53am
42493

08 FR

12000$CDN, needs a few parts

Located in UK, with the pound dropping I'm looking over there for stuff.

wing
October 27th, 2016, 10:00am
Yeah Richard keeps sending me that one.

figo
October 27th, 2016, 10:20am
Yeah Richard keeps sending me that one.

He told me about this one a few weeks back. Tempting lol

karmaboy
October 27th, 2016, 10:23am
Interesting body off shots of that Strohr.
Really nice engineering for 1998...especially compared to the other cars of the time.
The front end has the drivers legs placed up high (like current F1 seating position)
The rad is basically below the pedal set...and the front shocks placed below the driver's legs.
The rear end is equally compact...amazing what they would do to keep the car streamlined.
Weird how the whole sump is in front of the engine rather than the back...never seen that before.
There isn't any structure above the engine either...meaning you could drop a Honda engine in there with almost no effort. The VD has all sorts of crap that needs to be moved to do the same.
Pretty cool

42497
42498

tellum
October 27th, 2016, 10:26am
What engine powers that?

karmaboy
October 27th, 2016, 10:31am
The "other" legal engine...Ford Kent 1.6L

wing
October 27th, 2016, 10:53am
This is still avail. http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=33548

I have lots of spare engines lol

mikeman
October 27th, 2016, 10:57am
oh that sounds like a good combination, put a junk neon engine in an open wheel car. what could go wrong.

figo
October 27th, 2016, 02:26pm
Interesting body off shots of that Strohr.
Really nice engineering for 1998...especially compared to the other cars of the time.
The front end has the drivers legs placed up high (like current F1 seating position)
The rad is basically below the pedal set...and the front shocks placed below the driver's legs.
The rear end is equally compact...amazing what they would do to keep the car streamlined.
Weird how the whole sump is in front of the engine rather than the back...never seen that before.
There isn't any structure above the engine either...meaning you could drop a Honda engine in there with almost no effort. The VD has all sorts of crap that needs to be moved to do the same.
Pretty cool

42497
42498

The seating looks like its practical, not sure how I like the suspension under your legs in a collision. Where do the water lines run from rad to engine?

karmaboy
October 28th, 2016, 01:44pm
ok...last one...and I'll finish fanboi'ng all over this.
Check this...
The driveshafts are inside the upper control arms. Nuts.

42527

wing
October 28th, 2016, 01:51pm
Ok that is weird. And amazing. Can you find parts for this thing? Dauntless still have the molds?

karmaboy
October 28th, 2016, 02:41pm
Thats the thing with this...there are like 3 that were built.
No parts, no moulds.

Based on how F1660 guys crack up their cars...it would be a shame to race it and possibly destroy it. Who ever buys it should be a pretty handy fabricator.

mikeman
October 28th, 2016, 02:49pm
if your pockets are deep enough, my buddy does aerospace composites.. i'm sure he could remake those molds for ya!

mightymousetech
October 28th, 2016, 03:42pm
Sounds expensive.

petawawarace
October 28th, 2016, 04:11pm
Yeah you'd want to make jigs for the control arms before ever racing that thing. Very cool car, but there's so many other F1600's that would be just as fast, and have access to a lot more parts.

figo
October 28th, 2016, 04:23pm
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161028/cd2ae3e8a3a748773dbfead93bd4b586.png
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161028/744a1cef6b7b0c01f5fa83052e98f3a8.png

It's cool but no thanks

karmaboy
October 28th, 2016, 05:04pm
FWIW...I have no interest in buying this.
I'm fascinated by the engineering.

This is an example of a guy...Lee Stohr, who wanted to win the SCCA Runoffs.
He spared no expense and designed a car within the rules. He didn't rely on the best practices of the day...basically challenged everything.

He didn't win by the way.
He designed a car to dominate a fast track...but the Runoffs were scheduled for slower, twisty tracks the whole time he was trying to campaign it.

mikeman
October 28th, 2016, 05:07pm
man we listened to a dinner with racers about the car that was built to win runoffs and lapped everyone. . was a no-expenses-spared exercise in engineering.
multimatic connection up in thurrr..

good listen.

petawawarace
October 28th, 2016, 05:51pm
man we listened to a dinner with racers about the car that was built to win runoffs and lapped everyone. . was a no-expenses-spared exercise in engineering.
multimatic connection up in thurrr..

good listen.

Level 5 DSR... Colin Braun driving actually holds the unofficial track record at Bogie in that car, with a 1:42 or 46.
They went way way overboard on that thing...

mikeman
October 28th, 2016, 06:21pm
Oh ya that's the one
So good.

1Morelap
October 28th, 2016, 10:21pm
slept through the whole thing.

figo
November 8th, 2016, 04:32pm
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161108/49f3f65744a76d5d929e6a586d41eae9.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161108/535f9997a5110295ce80158d147e258e.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161108/1a23cec8e1589459ac41ac5a422aaf7e.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161108/f380d90bae0edc3aca32b51188b0a113.jpg

karmaboy
November 8th, 2016, 04:46pm
details?
98 VD?
Unfortunately...not a Honda.

oh found it...$30K USD and in Arizona.
Looks lovely.

mikeman
November 8th, 2016, 04:55pm
Dose Penskes

wing
November 8th, 2016, 05:09pm
Congrats!

karmaboy
November 8th, 2016, 05:09pm
Dat silver Tundra

karmaboy
November 8th, 2016, 05:10pm
Congrats!

Wut?

figo
November 8th, 2016, 06:46pm
Congrats?!?

petawawarace
November 14th, 2016, 06:36pm
Looks like a really well built car and two spare motors and other parts for $15k. I think it's a little much for a class that's almost dead. 10k would be a good deal. Could easily convert to 1000cc too
Could easily convert to 1000cc power and have a very fast car.

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=33733

figo
November 14th, 2016, 06:49pm
Ad says its negotiable.

karmaboy
November 15th, 2016, 07:00am
Welp...$3K mini is sold.
Fun car...but need to move on to the bigger plan.

42807

daft_mx5
November 15th, 2016, 07:14am
Congrats.

Those R53s create a little hole in your heart.

Mario
November 15th, 2016, 07:18am
Congrats!

2 weeks ago my son comes up to me with the pad and shows me this Black Mini for $3K on Kijiji. Says, look Dad, only $3K and it must be tuned because it has a 1morelap sticker on it. (He's shopping for his first car at 12, looking for Miatas under $5K) I said that's Kevin's Mini, he raced it in the GT challenged. He said we could buy it now and leave it in the garage until I get my drivers' liscence. LOL

Robin2
November 15th, 2016, 07:42am
You're in trouble Mario...... :)

karmaboy
November 15th, 2016, 07:44am
Congrats.

Those R53s create a little hole in your heart.


pretty sure it won't be my last.

Adam
November 15th, 2016, 08:22am
Miss my r53 every day since I sold it.

snail
November 15th, 2016, 08:25am
Curious why you sold.

daft_mx5
November 15th, 2016, 08:26am
Miss my r53 every day since I sold it.

Same. Only car I've ever actually missed.

karmaboy
November 15th, 2016, 09:09am
Curious why you sold.

Because.....RACECAR!!!

Coles notes:
1. Want to get back to open wheel racing
2. Mini is super fun, but too many miles on it to really invest in making it a racecar
3. Need room in the shop.

figo
November 17th, 2016, 05:07pm
Local RF 05 vd for 29usd

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/8e12f2a362a9b234370cca96516e503c.jpg

karmaboy
November 17th, 2016, 05:22pm
Yeah...still a ford.
This is the one that caught fire at Ted Powell this year.
Danby spent all fall rebuilding it. He just sold the 98 VD that I was thinking about.

1Morelap
November 17th, 2016, 05:45pm
42873

42874

figo
November 17th, 2016, 05:59pm
I knew it looked familiar

daft_mx5
November 17th, 2016, 07:20pm
Smoooooking deal.





Sorry.

tellum
November 17th, 2016, 08:16pm
Crispy V2

figo
November 24th, 2016, 05:41pm
79 (CDN)
Ottawa
We know the driver/owner
Can run radical series
Good talent in FL2
I sat in it, that added value is priceless?!?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161124/53fd9e40ddd5bf6b351a617810d00352.jpg

figo
November 24th, 2016, 05:47pm
Peter bought something else?!? This has everything I'd want, maybe I should sell mine and buy this..

wing
November 24th, 2016, 06:09pm
Nice car, low mileage. But man so much monies.

karmaboy
November 24th, 2016, 06:31pm
how much?

edit:
SONNAOFABIT______
Good price for a US buyer I suppose.

1Morelap
November 24th, 2016, 07:57pm
https://www.motorsportauctions.com/category/308/Indy-Car-and-Indy-Lights/listings/36882/Lotus-Honda-Indycar-Dallara-IR4-3.html

$22k euro? or something. stick barbs motor in it, good to go.

mikeman
November 25th, 2016, 10:25am
GSR swap

figo
November 25th, 2016, 11:33am
It might add up quickly to get it race ready, engine, gearbox etc..

figo
December 6th, 2016, 07:16pm
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161207/e11175f9edca066339ea7f80e574847a.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161207/8b1aa79e2f35f13105c427caa1e2a5ca.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161207/0d5660cafcedffbe88c094d5c03b85f9.jpg

Jethro
December 6th, 2016, 07:44pm
Very. Phallic.

1Morelap
December 7th, 2016, 09:56pm
And then

figo
December 8th, 2016, 07:58pm
What about a fm?

karmaboy
December 9th, 2016, 06:56am
What about a fm?
And then

you talking to me?
I'm not asking anymore...I want a FF1600 Honda.

No rush...stacking ched for the right car (+$30K)...maybe in the spring.

karmaboy
December 19th, 2016, 06:49am
Went to see this on Sunday for shits and giggles. 2000 Van Dieman
Owned by Pier Bortot. He raced it pretty seriously in the Quebec series 10 years ago
He's retired from racing and hasn't started this car in a few years.
Its a Ford...so not really on my shortlist, but it was local so it was worth having a look.
Pros:
-great chassis with real results
-good price...$26K CDN

Cons:
-Ford
-belts expired
-needs tires
-needs seat and serious adjustments for me
-no like livery
-weirdo obsolete telemetry setup.

As nice as it would be to buy a local car and certainly a nice "modern" chassis...I can probably get a Honda for 5-10K more.
This will likely be snapped up by a US buyer.

43492

karmaboy
July 18th, 2017, 07:37pm
welp,
Its July and no racecar has magically appeared (I was using the "my next racecar will find me" strategy)
So I think I might tackle converting a car to Honda power.

I tracked down this engine in New York and was able to get her with minimal effort via those badasses at Standard Auto Parts.
8K kms...a reasonable candidate to do the HPD conversion.

47021

I bought it knowing the timing cover was damaged...but no detail on how bad.
Turns out its the upper mounting point.
47022

Should look like this in the car...
47023

So...weld it and hope for the best?
Or...just get another timing cover?

1Morelap
July 18th, 2017, 08:08pm
use the other pin.

karmaboy
July 18th, 2017, 08:19pm
Hmm...ya.
Greg...art school is paying off.

wing
July 18th, 2017, 08:32pm
Wait you have a car? Or no?

Jethro
July 18th, 2017, 08:36pm
I'm seeing motor only. He's opened up how sesrch to cars he can convert to Honda power.

dwarrick
July 18th, 2017, 08:40pm
ya, maybe fab up something to use the closer one?

wing
July 18th, 2017, 08:42pm
Oh I see now. Yeah hmm not a stress member I assume.

Are there other bolts holding it in that area?

tellum
July 18th, 2017, 08:46pm
Weld it up.

karmaboy
July 18th, 2017, 08:49pm
No car. Just an engine.
Need a couple grand to convert this to a race ready engine.
Now I can keep my options open for a later model roller...rather than a full Honda race car.