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I12XLR8
February 6th, 2014, 03:06pm
I've been half-heartedly looking for a cheap car to put on the track this season or next. Thoughts on this? Any better ideas? Around the $5k mark keeps the wife happy (mods excluded) but I have found that might not be reasonable.

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1987-Toyota-Supra-Turbo-Coupe-Superb-Condition-W0QQAdIdZ559517383

Wookie
February 6th, 2014, 03:17pm
HEAVY CAR

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 03:20pm
2800lbs is heavy ?

I12XLR8
February 6th, 2014, 03:21pm
Wiki says 3400lbs...I guess that is pretty heavy ;-(

Jethro
February 6th, 2014, 03:21pm
Loved those old poopras. That model had 230 hp/240tq when new I think? The trans and rear end are from one of their SUVs IIRC.
The velour interior is pretty sexy. Those seats look heavy.

A friend of mine had one. A HKS exhaust (down pipe etc) woke it up a bit. They are fairly easy to work on. His ate clutches so we got good at that. His turbo bearings were kind of cooked so he got a Texas turbo stage whatever, then other shit started to break. Side stepping the clutch at 5 k and the resulting wheel hop grenades the arse pretty effectively.

I found that with the old car I bought for the track quite a lot of small sketchy stuff added up to a lot of time to get right (suspension bushings old/dry/rotted, tired ball joints, tired steering rack). Tracking it will shake loose anything that's weak for sure.

When I buy my next track slut it will be less than 10 yrs old

The older Bmr's seem popular/balanced/lots of local support and knowledge.

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 03:29pm
oh well, its a car. drive it.

Mechs02
February 6th, 2014, 03:33pm
Boss has an older supra, not sure what gen, but he can't even get real brake pads for it...

Mechs02
February 6th, 2014, 03:33pm
Buy my mustang... Mods already included:)

Jethro
February 6th, 2014, 03:34pm
Buy my mustang... Mods already included:)

ARE YOU SELLING IT FOR FIVE GRAND.??.

Mechs02
February 6th, 2014, 03:34pm
Without the mods like mentioned above sure! But the mods come with it... So it's a little bit more :)

NoLimits Autoparts
February 6th, 2014, 03:36pm
I wouldnt touch one that age, too hard to find good used parts, and not much demand for aftermarket support.

E36 Bimmer, I think is the best bang for the buck in that budget range. Gut it and racing brake pads, Done.

NTIMD8
February 6th, 2014, 03:37pm
Interweb tells me an 87 Supra Turbo is 3590 lbs.

Wookie
February 6th, 2014, 03:39pm
http://autocatch.com/used-cars/2000~bmw~3_series~1513506.htm

John_H
February 6th, 2014, 03:41pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW-3-Series-330i-E46-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ530976841

mightymousetech
February 6th, 2014, 03:48pm
?????

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=134016177&listingRecNum=3&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26transTypeI d%3D28112%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmil es%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26sf1Nm%3D price%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28646%26zc%3D13669%26rd%3D100 000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-pseudoPrice%26mdId%3D20409%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D2 0005%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1

mightymousetech
February 6th, 2014, 03:50pm
LOL! We are all thinking the same thing..

Wookie
February 6th, 2014, 03:51pm
Wasn't this posted somewhere before?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1993-BMW-3-Series-328i-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ553784903

NTIMD8
February 6th, 2014, 03:53pm
Most of these are under $5k.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/8-track-toys-for-less-than-10-grand-1

I like the idea of a stripped out older Stang. Lots of aftermarket support for them and I would think parts would be cheap.

shlammed
February 6th, 2014, 03:54pm
Wasn't this posted somewhere before?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1993-BMW-3-Series-328i-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ553784903
buy a track car that already runs-trust me.

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 03:55pm
frank? http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-Pontiac-Grand-Am-GT-Turbo-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ564785146

figo
February 6th, 2014, 03:55pm
mkiii poopra blow hg often, heavy and doesn't really handle, any gen of them aren't ideal track cars lol

the positive, it's rwd

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 03:56pm
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1988-Mazda-RX-7-Coupe-plus-parts-car-and-13b-engine-W0QQAdIdZ564500104

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 04:00pm
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1984-Volkswagen-Jetta-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ563985994

Wookie
February 6th, 2014, 04:05pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-Golf-gti-vr6-W0QQAdIdZ550749543

mikeman
February 6th, 2014, 04:16pm
http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s1&lotId=13598304&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS

$8500 usd

NTIMD8
February 6th, 2014, 04:18pm
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/51113/2012_porsche_gt3_cup_rolex_gt_4_0l_rsr.html

$5k to look at.

mikeman
February 6th, 2014, 04:25pm
http://cdn3.volusion.com/5cfxm.hxrs6/v/vspfiles/photos/XXU-63-ARCA-5T.gif




This Toyota Camry built for the ARCA Series is a full race car by Sheltra Motorsports

Wilwood Integra 6R brakes
A complete Auto Meter gauge panel with tach
Oil tank with overflow tank
Peterson fuel filter
Setrab oil cooler
Turn 1 12:1 steering box
Remote Oil Filter Housing
Woodward Collapsible Steering Column
C&R Racing Radiator

Note: Oil and Fuel lines included, No gear or axles, No sway bar or sway bar arms.





http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/clear1x1.gif




http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/DBox_Border_Left_Bottom.gif
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http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/DBox_Border_Right_Bottom.gif


http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/DBox_Border_Left_MidDiv.gif
http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/clear1x1.gif
http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/DBox_Border_Right_MidDiv.gif


http://www.roushyatesparts.com/v/vspfiles/templates/roushCH/images/clear1x1.gif


Features


Serial Number: PRS-110-06-07 "ARCA Serial number 20084366"
Wheelbase: 105 Inches
Make: Toyota
Body Style: Camry
Series: ARCA (please see your series rule book)
Last Ran: N/A
Chassis Style: Short Track/Intermediate
Engine: None
Transmission: None
Radiator: Yes
Gauge Cluster: Yes
Brakes: Yes
Complete Body: Yes
Seat: None
Oil Tank: Yes
Rear Axle: No
Springs: Yes
Ignition Panel: No








Regular Price: $13,000.00

Sale Price: $4,500.00

You save $8,500.00!

http://www.roushyatesparts.com/arca-camry-race-car-p/xxu-63-arca.htm

sb_915
February 6th, 2014, 04:27pm
Wasn't this posted somewhere before?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1993-BMW-3-Series-328i-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ553784903

i already bought it.

Wookie
February 6th, 2014, 04:29pm
mikeman

^ WTF? There's 4500 in stickers there!! LMAO

mikeman
February 6th, 2014, 04:30pm
The brakes are worth $3000 used. for real.

karmaboy
February 6th, 2014, 04:57pm
That's the twin to my brothers car. He handed down to his son.
Its been a money pit...which is good, keeps the boy from spending his cash on hookers and blow.
Age has not been good on various seals, plastic bits. Hard as hell to find.
Parked now with a blown motor.
The boy is now learning to rebuild a classic Toyota inline 6...in a one car, unheated garage.

Jethro
February 6th, 2014, 07:50pm
The brakes are worth $3000 used. for real.

Travis and Trevor hill are looking to replace the Steenbakkers car that wadded up in 9/a/b/10/over the Armco/everywhere last season...they have good contacts for those rides.

andrewe
February 6th, 2014, 08:38pm
I have a 90 Celica GT-four(RHD) in my driveway, 2 litre turbo, awd, 3k needs brakes a rad n front shocks.

1Morelap
February 6th, 2014, 08:42pm
nobody saw the chummp car I posted.

mikeman
February 6th, 2014, 09:13pm
Saw "Jetta" didn't click. Did now. Not bad

NTIMD8
February 6th, 2014, 09:14pm
nobody saw the chummp car I posted.

Or the one I posted.

t
February 6th, 2014, 09:35pm
Or the one I posted.


i looked at it.

(not really).

Want a cheap track car, get a civic.

t

NTIMD8
February 6th, 2014, 09:36pm
Thanks.
(Not really)

Jethro
February 6th, 2014, 09:42pm
Want a cheap track car, get a civic.

t

True dat. Check consumable prices and availability before you buy :-).
And these cars teach you how to carry momentum.

raggedrabbit
February 6th, 2014, 09:47pm
The Celica on here or the Talon would be alright.

The Supras are brutal, they have a funky suspension setup with a million ball joints, and it goes positive camber under compression ffs. They also weigh as much as my truck! A light car will cost less than HP... you'll save on tires/brakes and just break less stuff in general.

I saw that Jetta somewhere else for $3500, if you don't mind FWD it would move pretty good.

If you aren't looking to cage it but it isn't something you are gonna cruise in or show, you can probably knock your just-the-car budget down around $2k. E30/E36s are strong candidates in my mind. Lots of room to improve them too, if your into that sort of thing.

edit: There was a caged Supra mkii ice racer w/ Kirkey seat and snow tires for $700 this fall... given the weight and the handling in general though, I just didn't think it was worth all the trouble.

yanrider
February 7th, 2014, 07:13am
Yep! I vote that one!



nobody saw the chummp car I posted.

But, is OP needing to drive it to the track?

1Morelap
February 7th, 2014, 08:04am
Yep! I vote that one!




But, is OP needing to drive it to the track?

wasn't clear, so I shot first, ask later.

pyxen
February 7th, 2014, 09:45am
Soooo..civic. Ok gotcha.

What are the best sources for track cars? Obviously the kijijijijis and craigslist, but hadn't heard of a bunch of the others listed here. Cars.com is an obvious place I wouldn't think to go to.

How do you coordinate shipping/getting a car from FL ??

RandomHer0
February 7th, 2014, 09:46am
racingjunk.com

Kiss your day goodbye.

Mario
February 7th, 2014, 09:50am
The latest member profile
jeffer270318735

figo
February 7th, 2014, 10:05am
I'm sure you can find a cheap rhd in montreal, rwd with basic jdm crap on it that you can track

Jon.0
February 7th, 2014, 10:19am
What are the best sources for track cars?


MR?

http://forums.midnightruns.com/showthread.php?40486-99-Miata-HD-bar-hard-top-Rivals-FM-coilovers-etc-etc

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 12:02pm
I never get these updates in my email. I miss more conversations that I am a part of ;-(

I would plan to trailer the car to the track eventually but being able to drive it there for the first year or so would be best. That would give me time to decide how much I'm going to enjoy the tracking on it's own. Much of the enjoyment I got out of the G8 was that I loved it on the track AND the street.

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 12:03pm
This I like... http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW-3-Series-330i-E46-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ530976841

Does the 230k scare anyone?

Jethro
February 7th, 2014, 12:12pm
This I like... http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW-3-Series-330i-E46-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ530976841

Does the 230k scare anyone?

my civic had that kind of mileage on it. like i said before, suspension bushings, engine mounts, brake lines, etc etc....if it's been winter driven then all that shit will be a fucking pain in the ass to get apart. I ignored some of that shit for a while but things like the rear suspension trailing arm bushings would just fail under driving stress of the track.

The bernier bros had wheels fly off. old bearings? shit happens to old shit.

mikeman
February 7th, 2014, 12:16pm
drivelines on those are solid, no?

sb_915
February 7th, 2014, 12:50pm
my civic had that kind of mileage on it. like i said before, suspension bushings, engine mounts, brake lines, etc etc....if it's been winter driven then all that shit will be a fucking pain in the ass to get apart. I ignored some of that shit for a while but things like the rear suspension trailing arm bushings would just fail under driving stress of the track.

The bernier bros had wheels fly off. old bearings? shit happens to old shit.

For me yes, chris' car just eats wheel studs. something about the 9.75x17 only using 4 studs maybe?!?

sb_915
February 7th, 2014, 12:51pm
But yeah, just do regular maintenance on track cars. that's all there is to it. you gotta pay to play... safely.

gchislett
February 7th, 2014, 01:26pm
Mileage on the motor doesn't scare me. Mine had 165,000 MILES on it when I bought it and it had been a race car for nearly 10 years.

Jethro
February 7th, 2014, 02:51pm
lol-> yanriderhttp://forums.midnightruns.com/images/styles/grayfolio/statusicon/user-offline.png
SeaweedSeaweed

pyxen
February 7th, 2014, 09:02pm
Do rusty engine bays and suspension parts bother you, or its just the way it is when buying local and used?

Goes back to maintenance and basic replacement before abuse?

wing
February 7th, 2014, 09:24pm
$3000 -- and can be street registered. Geez good deal me thinks
http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=29221

1Morelap
February 7th, 2014, 09:27pm
says 6000? and 2500 and 3000 and a trailer. wall of text is , and so forth.

wing
February 7th, 2014, 09:30pm
Yeah sorry, after reading wall of text I realize he put no price on CASC. $6k. He'll take $4500 make an offer -- sounds legit.

wing
February 7th, 2014, 09:31pm
Wait maybe it is $3000???

It would be 2000$ if bought with the car or $2500 obo by itself. 3000$ + trailer, I just bought but decided to go in a different direction

I confused

Jethro
February 7th, 2014, 09:37pm
I read 3 grand outta that wall of text. For the car.

wing
February 7th, 2014, 09:39pm
Yeah sounds like a solid deal if it's running. I got $3k for my car in pieces. Handed guy a bucket of bolts lol

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 10:18pm
Do rusty engine bays and suspension parts bother you, or its just the way it is when buying local and used?

Goes back to maintenance and basic replacement before abuse?

I don't much care how it looks...I just don't want to buy a car for $5k then have to put $5k into in so I don't kill myself or someone else on the track. I don't need it to be fast or handle super well, just get me around with a smile on my face.

I might still decide to bring the G8 out but think I would rather run on the edge and be OK with that than be on the edge thinking I might destroy another 'family' car

mphysk
February 7th, 2014, 10:48pm
Mustang or miata. Keep it simple

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 10:52pm
Can't find either that looks safe enough to drive or that I can afford...

Jethro
February 7th, 2014, 11:30pm
Sn95 stangs can be a good value.
You looking at those?

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 11:39pm
Looking at everything right now...

luker
February 7th, 2014, 11:45pm
This I like... http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW-3-Series-330i-E46-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ530976841

Does the 230k scare anyone?
The 2.8L inline 6 currently in the race car has 268,000 km on it and dynoed at 203 hp at the rear wheels.
My spare engine has 388,000 km on it and was pulling really strong before I parted the car.

I12XLR8
February 7th, 2014, 11:50pm
I have a Lexus buddy that is telling me to stay away because they are unreliable and expensive to maintain. Should I chock this up to brand snobbery?

1Morelap
February 8th, 2014, 02:48am
There's too many Bimmers of any age at the track to not chock that up.

wing
February 8th, 2014, 09:41am
Yeah the old BMWs are fine. It's those new electronic gizmos that should be avoided.

mikeman
February 8th, 2014, 10:03am
what, Teslas?

Pete
February 8th, 2014, 10:05am
Yeah the old BMWs are fine. It's those new electronic gizmos that should be avoided.

This.

Unless you are in a hurry, even a higher mileage E36 from further south in the US would be a great candidate for under 5k. Parts are plentyfull and not too expensive from what I gather.

I12XLR8
February 8th, 2014, 11:03am
I'd rather buy it from Canada...and local. I have bought sight unseen from the states before but only newer stuff as there is less risk.

is the E46 considered to have an unacceptable amount of electronic wizardry?

raggedrabbit
February 8th, 2014, 12:46pm
He's asking $6kOBO for the GTi. That is a nice little car, light years ahead of the Jetta that was posted. I'm seriously considering a little upgrade...

pyxen
February 8th, 2014, 05:16pm
Ok, so here's the question for the next step...once we've bought (which I haven't yet), what next? Do you get it registered somehow if we're trailering it to the track, or do you just transfer ownership/pay your taxes? What about insurance?

wing
February 8th, 2014, 05:22pm
If you are trailering it then you don't need to register pay taxes etc. Although the seller may want it transfered out of their name so depends there.

If you are trailering you don't need insurance. There is race car insurance, I got it for my Radical, covers fire theft and damage. But insurance is only when car is not running.

pyxen
February 8th, 2014, 05:29pm
Can you cover under your standard house insurance for fire/theft/etc? I'd be inclined to transfer the ownership of the vehicle to me, just so it's not in someone else's name...

raggedrabbit
February 8th, 2014, 05:32pm
Of course Ontario has the ridiculous 1 week bill of sale law, so if you plan to keep the title with the car you will have to register it to transfer ownership right away even if it is for off-road use. You might have an interesting discussion with service ontario because they like to see proof of insurance. It's a terrible system.

Edit: My car doesn't have an ownership, it's just a piece of property with a motor and four wheels, like God intended.

Edit 2: I looked into it last year, and most vehicle policies include limited coverage to goods being trailered, so in an accident my truck insurance should help me out with the loss of my trailer/race vehicle, to a limited extent (hopefully my shitbox would be mostly covered). It's a fraction of the insured value of the actual vehicle (truck) though.

pyxen
February 8th, 2014, 05:35pm
LOL...ok. :)

What about getting the title swapped out to scrap or something like that, so no one "owns it" anymore? Does that work?

raggedrabbit
February 8th, 2014, 05:46pm
The Four Vehicle Brands

Irreparable


Vehicle has been written-off as a total loss.
Can only be used for parts or scrap.
Cannot be driven again in Ontario.

Salvage


Vehicle has been written-off as a total loss.
Can be repaired or used for parts or scrap.
If repaired, vehicle must pass a structural inspection test and be inspected by an authorized technician.
If vehicle passes test it will be re-branded as "Rebuilt".

Rebuilt


Vehicle was written-off, branded as "Salvage" and was repaired.
To qualify as "Rebuilt", owners must have photographs, documents and receipts of vehicle damage.
Vehicle must have been issued a Structural Inspection Certificate from an authorized technician at a Ministry of Transportation-licensed Motor Vehicle Inspection Station.
"Rebuilt" or "None" are the only acceptable brands for a consumer buying a used vehicle for on-road use.

None


Vehicle has not been given one of the other three brands.
Vehicle may have had a damage-related brand applied outside Ontario, or
Vehicle may have been damaged or rebuilt before March 31, 2003, or
Degree of damage does not meet branding criteria, or
Vehicle may never have been in a collision.


http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/branding/mandatory.shtml

mikeman
February 8th, 2014, 05:53pm
84 corvette race car and trailer on Kijiji http://london.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=565226110

wing
February 8th, 2014, 06:35pm
The race car insurance seemed like a no brainer for me. But if the value of the goods wasn't so much it wouldn't be worth it.

I paid $600 I think for around $50k coverage. includes trailer, all contents and car.

I12XLR8
February 8th, 2014, 08:40pm
84 corvette race car and trailer on Kijiji http://london.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=565226110

No price ;-(

Mario
February 8th, 2014, 08:56pm
The race car insurance seemed like a no brainer for me. But if the value of the goods wasn't so much it wouldn't be worth it.

I paid $600 I think for around $50k coverage. includes trailer, all contents and car.


Can I call up my insurance company and say, I have a race? Wouldn’t they find out you’re a race car driver and I’m just thinking maybe they think its bad for all your other insurance needs or you know of a special Cie?

I only took insurance on one side for my track car since its still on the road, but I wouldn’t dare say its heavily modified and I use it at a race tracks. The problem is if I want theft and fire, they will send someone to inspect it to figure out its value, since its 10 year old, but I’m sure they will not give me its true value, mods included I mean. Am I wrong to think this? Do you have special race car insurance?

wing
February 8th, 2014, 09:16pm
No it's not with my car insurance it's special insurance from a company that just offers this type of thing for race cars.

The car is not covered while driving it. What is covered is theft / fire / vandalism. Also towing damage to trailer or contents. Also covered is damage in the paddock. Say my car is sitting there and someone backs over it or something.

Mario
February 8th, 2014, 09:26pm
For sure, your car is worth a lot. In the case of my car, I guess your Cie wouldn’t be able to put a value on it since I don’t have a single paid invoice like you do? its for real race car?

wing
February 8th, 2014, 09:35pm
They didn't ask for an invoice or anything.

They will cover anything I believe. I told him what I felt was the replacement value for my stuff.

Basically you are paying them for the risk. They are betting you'll never need it.

If damage happens I can live with it and repair it. But if someone stole my trailer with the car and generator and tires and tools, fuck that would suck. So I figured the premium was worth peace of mind.

I12XLR8
February 8th, 2014, 10:54pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1995-Mustang-GT-5-0L-W0QQAdIdZ462411179

This looks familiar for some reason...

1Morelap
February 8th, 2014, 11:53pm
Pascal and Shirleys, it really is a nice car.

pyxen
February 9th, 2014, 12:12am
Amazing how the complement of cars changes above 2.5k. They become much more interesting!

yanrider
February 9th, 2014, 10:24am
Ya Shirley Bird (yellow stang) would be the one for the above perspective buyers. That couple is very meticulous about their cars. That cart would just need track pads and tires for now.

As for papers and insurance, I had bought my Camaro race car from a canadian guy that had bought it from the states. All I had was the US title. I think I had just written a letter to myself with the original owners's name, went to Customs on st-Laurent, kinda told them the truth, imported it, went to service ontario and got transferred to my name. No need for insurance if it is "unfit" aka not plated. I would of then needed a e-test and safety along with insurance to get plated. I never thought about insuring it. Didn't see a point.

mightymousetech
February 9th, 2014, 12:16pm
Strange. For all racecars, I have just transferred them into my name at the MTO as "unfit". As in unfit for road use. No insurance, or etest or safety.

raggedrabbit
February 9th, 2014, 01:45pm
Good info guys, thanks!

pyxen
February 9th, 2014, 02:23pm
Cool..unfit - got it!

Mucho gracie-ass.

I12XLR8
February 9th, 2014, 03:17pm
So I'm thinking that the 'stang, or something similar, might suit me better than a BMW. I'm just more familiar with the simple small block push rod engines. If the concensus is that I can put it on the track with tires and brakes then I'm going to check it out.

Jethro
February 9th, 2014, 03:41pm
All you need to get started is tires and brakes on a stang.

You won't stop there though. :-)

Pete
February 9th, 2014, 03:48pm
I'd buy that mustang in a heartbeat if I did not have the BRZ already... i'm not kidding, Pascal and Sherley are both the most meticulous persons about their Mustang i've met. Pascals fox body is awesometastic.

And it had a 5.0.

I12XLR8
February 9th, 2014, 03:49pm
All you need to get started is tires and brakes on a stang.

You won't stop there though. :-)

thats for sure...found that out on the last car. I'm trying to figure out what's best for me the second time around and I think a dedicated car is the ticket. Then I'll leave the G8 as a DD and start throwing mods at the new one. Keeping me busy is a large part of this...

Jethro
February 9th, 2014, 04:11pm
I flipped a couple of fox bodies I bought in the GTA. I found that mustangs were cheaper down there.

The 4.6 3v is a nice cheap swap for them.

Northern Rider
February 9th, 2014, 06:29pm
So I'm thinking that the 'stang, or something similar, might suit me better than a BMW. I'm just more familiar with the simple small block push rod engines. If the concensus is that I can put it on the track with tires and brakes then I'm going to check it out.

Stangs have proven to be low cost track cars. Tough, simple, easy to get parts at a reasonable $, and a decent power to weight ratio when stripped down.

pyxen
February 9th, 2014, 08:24pm
Up for a drive? Looks like a promising 325i just east of peterborough

http://peterborough.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1992-BMW-3-Series-325i-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ556445471

edit: 2 of 'em..

http://peterborough.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1995-BMW-3-Series-Sedan-325i-W0QQAdIdZ556608483

raggedrabbit
February 9th, 2014, 09:46pm
Soo much cancer. I wouldn't touch those for track use, especially if I thought I would be doing the wrenching myself.

I12XLR8
February 9th, 2014, 11:18pm
Soo much cancer. I wouldn't touch those for track use, especially if I thought I would be doing the wrenching myself.

I will be doing everything I can to the car myself. For me, that's more than half of the fun.

raggedrabbit
February 10th, 2014, 12:03am
I will be doing everything I can to the car myself. For me, that's more than half of the fun.

If it's rusty, it will be double the trouble :D

I12XLR8
February 10th, 2014, 06:43am
True. I want to stay away from rusty. The yellow 'stang is looking better and better. I have emailed pascal and hope to see it this week.

yanrider
February 10th, 2014, 11:18am
Sweet! If ever you get it, now I'll have to call it Big Bird.

I12XLR8
February 10th, 2014, 12:51pm
I can handle that ;-) Although with any luck the car will be wrapped in Mr. Lube colours and I'll have some sponsorship $ in my pocket. If that happens then next year I'll try to break into the Gentleman's Cup!!!!!!!!!

Pete
February 10th, 2014, 12:52pm
I can handle that ;-) Although with any luck the car will be wrapped in Mr. Lube colours and I'll have some sponsorship $ in my pocket. If that happens then next year I'll try to break into the Gentleman's Cup!!!!!!!!!

This platform is also a great car to build into.

Mechs02
February 10th, 2014, 02:32pm
Sounds like you need to buy a mustang....
Stangs have proven to be low cost track cars. Tough, simple, easy to get parts at a reasonable $, and a decent power to weight ratio when stripped down.

NTIMD8
February 10th, 2014, 02:38pm
Sad that Shirley is selling her car. She has no time to drive it and would rather have cottage things, hence the sale. As you saw in my earlier post before I even saw Shirley's add I think a Mustang would be a great choice.

Northern Rider
February 10th, 2014, 08:06pm
Sounds like you need to buy a mustang....

Ummmm . . . prolly should have taken your white one to Braselton . . . .

Mechs02
February 10th, 2014, 08:33pm
Ummmm . . . prolly should have taken your white one to Braselton . . . .

Lol burn.

1Morelap
February 10th, 2014, 08:38pm
lol ouch.

Mechs02
February 10th, 2014, 09:30pm
Ummmm . . . prolly should have taken your white one to Braselton . . . .

Oh that was actually a compliment because the car could run the 14 no problem!

Northern Rider
February 10th, 2014, 10:41pm
Was given as a compliment - sort of . . . http://forums.midnightruns.com/images/icons/icon12.png

Mechs02
February 11th, 2014, 06:28am
Was given as a compliment - sort of . . . http://forums.midnightruns.com/images/icons/icon12.png

The back handed compliment. Well played old man... Well played. Haha

Wookie
February 11th, 2014, 09:17am
I can handle that ;-) Although with any luck the car will be wrapped in Mr. Lube colours and I'll have some sponsorship $ in my pocket. If that happens then next year I'll try to break into the Gentleman's Cup!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like you should pitch the idea on Dragons Den.

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 09:37am
I'm fairly sure it's not a money making idea ;-)

mightymousetech
February 11th, 2014, 09:45am
Want to make a small fortune racing? Start with a big one.

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 09:54am
Lol

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 11:15am
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1990-Nissan-300ZX-2-2-Twin-Turbo-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ565826489QQfeaturedAdZtrue

Just fishing...

Pete
February 11th, 2014, 11:16am
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1990-Nissan-300ZX-2-2-Twin-Turbo-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ565826489QQfeaturedAdZtrue

Just fishing...

A nightmare to do maintenance on and parts are pretty expensive on top of getting less and less common.

Just my 2 cents.

mikeman
February 11th, 2014, 11:17am
lol bit coin accepted..

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 11:19am
Just my 2 cents.

I also accept bit coins...

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 11:20am
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-Ford-Mustang-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ559112771

better?

Jethro
February 11th, 2014, 11:59am
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-Ford-Mustang-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ559112771

better?

it's an "air quotes" GT!


If it still has the cast aluminium intake and twin bore throttle body...you'd have 265 HP and 305 torques.

Ask about the brakes...v6?

1Morelap
February 11th, 2014, 12:02pm
looks like the right moteur. cool swap.

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 12:25pm
Any major differences between GT and V6 that he didn't cover in the swap? Other than brakes...I've got an email our to him about that now.

t
February 11th, 2014, 12:26pm
just buy something and figure it out later.

daft_mx5
February 11th, 2014, 12:28pm
Wouldn't something unmolested be more desirable? Is there really a big price difference?

I12XLR8
February 11th, 2014, 12:28pm
just buy something and figure it out later.

This is what I usually so then find out later that I made the wrong call. Trying to avoid that.

Pete
February 11th, 2014, 12:30pm
Wouldn't something unmolested be more desirable? Is there really a big price difference?

This...

yanrider
February 11th, 2014, 06:14pm
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-Ford-Mustang-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ559112771

better?

ya ya much better. Seems he has everything covered for swap. Depending how cheap you can get Big Bird this might be a good alternative. What's that color though?!?!

you can bolt on SVT Cobra front brakes on that thing no brob. But if you want to know how to setup a New Edge mustang, you should PM Lizard King.

pyxen
February 11th, 2014, 07:42pm
just buy something and figure it out later.

Stay away from flammable 944s

Mario
February 11th, 2014, 08:17pm
Planning for a track car is so much fun. So many variables and decisions. It depends on How fast you want to go compare to others. I think it can be divided in 2 categories. Fast heavy car, big engine, but tough on consumables like tires, brake and gas OR light weight, more manoeuvrable car, with less power which is in turn, a lot less hard on the same consumable. Figuring out long term budget is key if you want to have fun all summer long. I find that buying the car is the cheapest part in the long run

wing
February 11th, 2014, 08:59pm
You missed, really light powerful car that is easy on consumables. :P

Mario
February 11th, 2014, 09:01pm
That’s a myth. :loco:

t
February 11th, 2014, 09:50pm
You missed, really light powerful car that is easy on consumables. :P


944 turbo "S"

good nite!

t

raggedrabbit
February 11th, 2014, 11:45pm
That’s a myth. :loco:

There are prepped Rabbits and Jetta's above that should run sub 2:30 or better at Calabogie and use $500 in tires a year. When you weigh 15% more than a Star Mazda a little bit of anything goes a long way.

Mario
February 11th, 2014, 11:49pm
I agree, but that resembles the preparation of a true race car. Like Wing’s Radical is a tough design to beat. I’m thinking GT cars with basics track mods (tire, suspension, brake) can be divided in 2 simple groups. That’s all

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 12:26am
Right now I'm thinking Miata or Mustang. I know they are different cars but they both appeal to me. I like the Miata for being convertible, light, and easy to work on. I like the Mustang for the rear seats, promise of power down the road, and my boss loves them which might grease the wheels for some 'sponsorship' down the road.

I came into this game not long ago with a car that has lots of power, lots of weight, and had lots of fun. It's what I know. Can I have more fun with a different style of car? I don't know...

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 12:43am
Think budget and expenses. Lapping fees + gas per events = $200 Low / $600 high X how many days =??. 1 set of tires $1,000 + brake pads $350 + sway bars + alignment + oil changes =$2,000 (low)

The biggest factor you can’t plan is the damage on the car every time you take it out. I rarely come back with nothing to fix. That could be from $50 (cross treaded bolts) to a blown engine, trany, diff $3,000+. Give yourself a budget

One car will turn faster (Miata) and the other take off fast (Stang). your choice. One will cost more in consumables. Think about availability of used parts and price

>>Warning<<: If you’re looking for big highs, you should’ve started cocaine, cause it cost way less. — My mechanic

condor888000
February 12th, 2014, 01:05am
Would you fit in a Miata? You're a pretty tall guy from what I remember.

Plus, you're going to notice a world of difference. That G8 was quick down the straights, something a Miata will emphatically not be.

On the flip side, I've run the last 2 years with one set of brake pads($200)a year, and one set of tires a year. The first tires I bought for the car were....$350. That includes shipping, UPS store fees, and brokerage. You just can't beat that. Now they were 14" and only 185's, but they were great to play with the car on.

When I went with new wheels the cost jumped, but I'm still looking at less than $600 for a set of tires that will last me 1.5 seasons (10 lapping events/GT races, 15 autox's, and 5-7K KM of street driving in a season). That's damn cheap. The only maintenance I do is to change the fluids and check all the important bolts before starting the season. Car runs like a champ.

The only issue...it's damn slow. It's fun, but damn slow all the same.

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 01:10am
^ +1
mphysk (http://forums.midnightruns.com/member.php?851-mphysk) is super fast in a Miata.

raggedrabbit
February 12th, 2014, 01:35am
I agree, but that resembles the preparation of a true race car. Like Wing’s Radical is a tough design to beat. I’m thinking GT cars with basics track mods (tire, suspension, brake) can be divided in 2 simple groups. That’s all

Fair point. I concede.

GiJoe_
February 12th, 2014, 01:51am
What about an old school MR2 - always liked them, they do seem to be a bit on the heavy side (2700). Don't know much about them other then mid-engine small, RWD
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1991-Toyota-MR2-TURBO-TARGA-Coupe-3RD-GEN-SWAP-244HP-W-LSD-W0QQAdIdZ559770293

raggedrabbit
February 12th, 2014, 02:15am
That MR2 is pretty nice! I've heard they can be hard to drive (tendency to oversteer), but if your up for the adventure...

I would check parts availability though, especially with the JDM drivetrain (rockauto.com).

yanrider
February 12th, 2014, 06:55am
Miata and/or Mustang is in the wright direction IMO.

I never tried a Miata, always kinda wanted, but never liked tiny cars (claustrophobia maybe?) but they are so different. Probably run the same lap times midway through your learning curve. But as you will progress and gain confidence to drive the stang the same way you would drive the miata at first, your lap times would beat the Miatas I'm pretty sure. A V8 car will burn up a tank per GT race, what about a miata?! So many things to consider. But the best advice coming from my own experiences, is to run what you feel passionate about. Don't settle for what 'makes sense'. This isn't a race team you're building, go with what's fun. If you're a american muscle kinda car guy then I would stick to that. On the other side of the spectrum, If you're a analytical competitive person and winning in the most efficient way, then keep on googling and ignore what I just said.

Pete
February 12th, 2014, 08:13am
Right now I'm thinking Miata or Mustang. I know they are different cars but they both appeal to me. I like the Miata for being convertible, light, and easy to work on. I like the Mustang for the rear seats, promise of power down the road, and my boss loves them which might grease the wheels for some 'sponsorship' down the road.

I suggest you wait till spring then, a few Miatas on the forums in various state of tunes, that may or may not help. It is a completely different animal VS a Mustang.

Pete
February 12th, 2014, 08:15am
That MR2 is pretty nice! I've heard they can be hard to drive (tendency to oversteer), but if your up for the adventure...

I would check parts availability though, especially with the JDM drivetrain (rockauto.com).

Another car that's a PITA to work on. Sad. They look very good, the styling aged very well. They are also very small inside, not sure how tall iL2WTFBBQ is.

Blind
February 12th, 2014, 08:21am
if not as tall, maybe a tad taller than you pete.

Pete
February 12th, 2014, 08:28am
if not as tall, maybe a tad taller than you pete.

Yeah... then in all honesty, forget about MR2 and good luck with a Miata... but YMMV. I love them but I still curse a little anytime I get in and out of Buntas(white with blue stripes).

Mustang or FRS.

Used FRS should be available under 20k easily come spring time. Lots of bang for $$ in there. 1000$ for OpenFlash Tablet and OpenFlash Header Combo will pump it to 195-200whp(everything else stock) and well... Be happy.

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 08:59am
What about an old school MR2 - always liked them, they do seem to be a bit on the heavy side (2700). Don't know much about them other then mid-engine small, RWD
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1991-Toyota-MR2-TURBO-TARGA-Coupe-3RD-GEN-SWAP-244HP-W-LSD-W0QQAdIdZ559770293

That’s a nice car!

I went lapping at Shannonville one day and it just happened that there was an MR2 club present. Although the cars looked great, none were fast on track compare to a Miata let’s say. I don’t know why

18823

Stang or Miata is the way to go IMO for track toy

clean sanchez
February 12th, 2014, 09:23am
It would be a huge transition from a G8 to a miata. The knowledge and feeling of being able to mash the pedal and immediately go is why you bought the V8 G8 - that isn't going to happen in the miata. And consequently I don't know if you would be happy with that? A mustang would also make the right sounds!

Totally up to you - different strokes for different folks!

mightymousetech
February 12th, 2014, 09:34am
Another option:

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Honda/Civic/METCALFE/Ontario/19_7788949_/?showcpo=ShowCPO

I really enjoyed our Civic on the track.

The K series 2.0L has got some pretty good punch. A K flash update really wakes up the motor. Put on a set of BFG R1's, good front pads and a rear sway bar. Run it hard all day every day and do nothing but oil changes.

The Torsen LSD is a big, BIG plus. Go into the corner and just hammer the gas and let the diff figure it out.

The most common comment when taking students for fun laps was "I had no idea a Civic could do that!"

condor888000
February 12th, 2014, 10:46am
^ +1
mphysk (http://forums.midnightruns.com/member.php?851-mphysk) is super fast in a Miata.

That's cause it was supercharged. Not a lot of power, but it was certainly noticeable compared to a stock car.

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 11:03am
The best advice coming from my own experiences, is to run what you feel passionate about. Don't settle for what 'makes sense'. This isn't a race team you're building, go with what's fun. If you're a american muscle kinda car guy then I would stick to that. On the other side of the spectrum, If you're a analytical competitive person and winning in the most efficient way, then keep on googling and ignore what I just said.

On the surface I think the Mustang suits me better but the few people I have talked to about this keep suggesting the Miata. For the price, cost of maintenance, and the crazy amounts of fun it seems to be to drive a go-kart like car, it is hard to pass up. However, I think the push deep into the back of the seat appeals to me more than the lateral push. I also LOVE the roar of a V8.

The biggest problem is that I don't LOVE either of the cars yet. It would help if I had always wanted either of them...


Not sure how tall iL2WTFBBQ is.

LOL! 6' 3"

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 11:06am
Another option:

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Honda/Civic/METCALFE/Ontario/19_7788949_/?showcpo=ShowCPO

I really enjoyed our Civic on the track.

The K series 2.0L has got some pretty good punch. A K flash update really wakes up the motor. Put on a set of BFG R1's, good front pads and a rear sway bar. Run it hard all day every day and do nothing but oil changes.

The Torsen LSD is a big, BIG plus. Go into the corner and just hammer the gas and let the diff figure it out.

The most common comment when taking students for fun laps was "I had no idea a Civic could do that!"

Starting to push my spending limits but I did enjoy driving one recently. I found it dangerously peppy in the city but lacking on the highway. When I finally had the opportunity to open it up on the highway I was underwhelmed. Would make a great 'bogie car though. Too bad it wasn't rwd ;-)

sb_915
February 12th, 2014, 11:10am
You were talking e46 for a while right?

Yeah - great track cars. Basically a bigger, wider, e36. only crappy thing is the non-LSD options unless you go custom diff which is mega $$$$ (~$2500 IIRC).

BMWs have tons of electronics but e46 is still reasonable. Would be good to look into, and there is TONS of local knowledge/support.

8Legs Racing has 2 e46 race cars right now that we run in CTCC. Arek can also get you any OEM or aftermarket BMW parts you may need, locally, for reasonable prices.

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 11:17am
The E46 is a good looking car but I just don't know them. My impression of BMW, fairly or not, is that they are expensive to maintain and difficult to work on. School me if I am wrong

mightymousetech
February 12th, 2014, 11:18am
Honestly, if you were underwhelmed by the Civic, you are going to be bored to tears in a Miata.

BMW's are very easy to work on, and since SOOOO many people track them, parts are surprisingly cheap. Just get an older one like the E36. There is a reason why they are so damn popular (and successful fuck) in Chump Car.

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 11:20am
Honestly, if you were underwhelmed by the Civic, you are going to be bored to tears in a Miata.

Don't get me wrong, the Civic was great in the city. I just put my foot into it around 110 and I was expecting more. I know the Miata would bore me in the straights but luckily Calabogie doesn't focus too much on those. Plus being open to the sky makes everything feel faster ;-)

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 11:21am
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW330ci-sport-package-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ558732958

NoLimits Autoparts
February 12th, 2014, 11:24am
The E46 is a good looking car but I just don't know them. My impression of BMW, fairly or not, is that they are expensive to maintain and difficult to work on. School me if I am wrong

All the normal wearing parts are as affordable as a chevy, And they dont need much for upgrades, no big break kits, just gut it, cage it and tires and brake pads.

Erwan
February 12th, 2014, 11:27am
Late 90's Civic.

Parts are plenty and cheap, car cost is low, tons and tons and tons of aftermarket support. With $5K you could buy a track ready civic with full cage, suspension etc etc - not enough power? Toss a turbo on it for next to nothing and make plenty of reliable power.

Not RWD but you're not at a drifting competition, you're at CMP :P FWD is plenty fun on the track.

Good luck :)

:P

mightymousetech
February 12th, 2014, 11:32am
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2001-BMW330ci-sport-package-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ558732958

Nice! Get rid of the eleventy brazzillion way power/heated/leather seats and the car will be 500 lbs lighter. :)

sb_915
February 12th, 2014, 12:00pm
The E46 is a good looking car but I just don't know them. My impression of BMW, fairly or not, is that they are expensive to maintain and difficult to work on. School me if I am wrong

LOL yeah, you're wrong.


Honestly, such an EASY car to work on... everything was well thought out in the design - so simple. As MANL said, aftermarket for both e36 and e46 is huge, and no more expensive than any other car. OEM parts can be a bit more, but again, aftermarket oem-equivalent parts make it really easy.

If you're looking at e46, get a 328 or a 330. the 325 and 323s are just too small, power wise.

If you're looking at e36, get a 328 or M3. I would recommend the 328 because it can easily be made to have M3 power for very cheap.

mightymousetech
February 12th, 2014, 12:04pm
If you're looking at e36, get a 328 or M3. I would recommend the 328 because it can easily be made to have M3 power for very cheap.

The E36 328 can be made to be very quick. Was crewing on a team racing one in Grand Am. A set of cams REALLY woke up that motor. Did I say cams? Ooops, nope, no cams in there, they were stock, nevermind I said anything.....

18827

sb_915
February 12th, 2014, 12:06pm
The E36 328 can be made to be very quick. Was crewing on a team racing one in Grand Am. A set of cams REALLY woke up that motor. Did I say cams? Ooops, nope, no cams in there, they were stock, nevermind I said anything.....

18827

LOL, yup.

The motor I have in my car now is a 328 motor, bored to 3.0L with high comp pistons, and stock (m3) top end. It puts down 232hp at the wheels, in a 2450lb car. With hot cams, I could be pushing 260-280 at the wheels.

gchislett
February 12th, 2014, 12:24pm
My 325 (e36) with race cams made about the same power as the e36 M3 motor that I replaced it with. Lap times were almost identical. Grab that e46 and go with it. Meets all the criteria. Slowly turn it into a track car yourself, since you enjoy working on it. But, get it licensed/insured now as an occasional car, so it'll be cheap to insure.

mikeman
February 12th, 2014, 12:48pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2000-BMW-328i-W0QQAdIdZ566178204
cheap. 4 doors for family lapping...

mikeman
February 12th, 2014, 12:53pm
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Race-car-GTS-3-98-BMW-M3-NASA-GTS3-2-SCCA-/201035473273?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ecea5e179&forcev4exp=true (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)
or
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true




(http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)

1Morelap
February 12th, 2014, 12:57pm
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Race-car-GTS-3-98-BMW-M3-NASA-GTS3-2-SCCA-/201035473273?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ecea5e179&forcev4exp=true (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)
or
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true




(http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)

scary seat is scary, but I'd still buy it.

t
February 12th, 2014, 01:03pm
Don't get me wrong, the Civic was great in the city. I just put my foot into it around 110 and I was expecting more. I know the Miata would bore me in the straights

you are crazy mon!

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 01:11pm
I like the BMers. They got to many letter and numbers though. E this and 325 that (…) WTF. I even hear that M3 are no longer M3 but M4!? :rofl:

raggedrabbit
February 12th, 2014, 01:22pm
This thing: http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-325-with-a-e36-3-2-m3-swap-244-whp-W0QQAdIdZ565074296

He wants $5k. The whole driveline is M3 gear, lots of new suspension bits, control arms, BJs, coilovers etc (all 325 gear). 325 brakes. The interior is typical (a seat door, needs rear window regulator) so you can probably get him down a bit. Body has 280k on it. Buy it for 4k.

mightymousetech
February 12th, 2014, 01:45pm
I like the BMers. They got to many letter and numbers though. E this and 325 that (…) WTF. I even hear that M3 are no longer M3 but M4!? :rofl:

There is still an M3, but that is the 4 door, the M4 is just a two door M3. I know, it is getting confusing as hell. Especially with the "Gran Coupes", which carry the 2 door nomenclature, but are a 4 door, sort of......

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 02:08pm
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Race-car-GTS-3-98-BMW-M3-NASA-GTS3-2-SCCA-/201035473273?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ecea5e179&forcev4exp=true (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)
or
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true




(http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Jeff-Gordon-24-Dupont-2003-NASCAR-Cup-Race-Car-Chevy-SB2-650-HP-tire-Jerico-/201035538920?pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item2ecea6e1e8&forcev4exp=true)

650hp at the tires...really?

mikeman
February 12th, 2014, 02:22pm
650hp at the tires...really?

frig the other link was supposed to be to this BMW:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/Race-car-GTS-3-98-BMW-M3-NASA-GTS3-2-SCCA-/201035473273?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ecea5e179%20&forcev4exp=true

copy paste fail

clean sanchez
February 12th, 2014, 02:28pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2000-BMW-328i-W0QQAdIdZ566178204
cheap. 4 doors for family lapping...

tough to beat methinks! good find

mikeman
February 12th, 2014, 02:30pm
Ya... I'm kinda thinkin' i should pick it up... lol

wing
February 12th, 2014, 02:32pm
This thing: http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-325-with-a-e36-3-2-m3-swap-244-whp-W0QQAdIdZ565074296

He wants $5k. The whole driveline is M3 gear, lots of new suspension bits, control arms, BJs, coilovers etc (all 325 gear). 325 brakes. The interior is typical (a seat door, needs rear window regulator) so you can probably get him down a bit. Body has 280k on it. Buy it for 4k.

Dude this car comes with blowjobs doesn't get any better.

gchislett
February 12th, 2014, 02:34pm
Problem with buying a race-ready car is the OP needs something street-able. Getting that licensed/insured is going to be an issue. Buy a better DD car and slowly turn it into a track car. Once it's insured, you don't have to worry (as much) about insurance.

I12XLR8
February 12th, 2014, 02:35pm
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2000-BMW-328i-W0QQAdIdZ566178204
cheap. 4 doors for family lapping...

I just hate that I don't know what I'm looking for in these cars. I'd need a posse to come with me....

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 02:44pm
Problem with buying a race-ready car is the OP needs something street-able. Getting that licensed/insured is going to be an issue. Buy a better DD car and slowly turn it into a track car. Once it's insured, you don't have to worry (as much) about insurance.

I also give him a +1

sb_915
February 12th, 2014, 03:45pm
I just hate that I don't know what I'm looking for in these cars. I'd need a posse to come with me....

I'd be happy to come look at something with you, but honestly I'm swamped these days.

If you have concerns, take it to Canadian Tire on Carling (seriously) - talk to Ralph or Tony, and tell them Shawn sent you. Make sure Phil looks at the car.

If you're anti- CTC, go to RPM motorworks on Richmond rd. for an inspection.

Either of these locations know BMW's inside and out. they'll make sure you don't get screwed.

sb_915
February 12th, 2014, 03:49pm
Look at these:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php?title=BMW_E46

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?725485-What-to-look-for-when-buying-a-E46


Don't freak out about the rear subframe. Super easy to reinforce (and fairly cheap)

pyxen
February 12th, 2014, 03:53pm
Look at these:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php?title=BMW_E46

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?725485-What-to-look-for-when-buying-a-E46


Don't freak out about the rear subframe. Super easy to reinforce (and fairly cheap)

Holy hell information overload!

Pete
February 12th, 2014, 04:08pm
Just buy a GTR.

Mario
February 12th, 2014, 04:11pm
/End thread

gchislett
February 12th, 2014, 04:11pm
not dentist, afaik....

t
February 12th, 2014, 04:30pm
not dentist, afaik....

i find this so funny

Jethro
February 12th, 2014, 04:31pm
i find this so funny

when they made you they broke the mold T.

;-)

gchislett
February 12th, 2014, 04:57pm
Maybe they broke the dentist mold BEFORE they made t, that's why he no have GTR.

pyxen
February 12th, 2014, 08:30pm
lulz...just a smokey 944.

With a turbo.

mikeman
February 12th, 2014, 10:40pm
951+914+2002+sir+ram=gtr

karmaboy
February 13th, 2014, 08:13am
Ever notice this;
https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/
Kit is ~$10K + WRX donor. God knows there are enough wrecked ones around.
Claim a race ready car for $15K.
Takes the boxer engine, move it to a mid engine configuration.
If you are going to wrench...build it all?
If I had more time and space...I'd take this on.

18846

Mechs02
February 13th, 2014, 08:51am
Ever notice this;
https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/
Kit is ~$10K + WRX donor. God knows there are enough wrecked ones around.
Claim a race ready car for $15K.
Takes the boxer engine, move it to a mid engine configuration.
If you are going to wrench...build it all?
If I had more time and space...I'd take this on.

18846

My cousin just bought one, getting delivered in April. Probably won't see it out until next year, but here's hoping sooner... :)

NoLimits Autoparts
February 13th, 2014, 09:54am
Now try and get insurance for your kit car......

karmaboy
February 13th, 2014, 10:07am
Now try and get insurance for your kit car......

I wouldn't bother...dedicated track car.

NoLimits Autoparts
February 13th, 2014, 11:27am
I wouldn't bother...dedicated track car.


Yep, would be the only way.

Awesome job on the MCO poster by the way, Looks fantastic Kev!

karmaboy
February 13th, 2014, 11:42am
Yep, would be the only way.

Awesome job on the MCO poster by the way, Looks fantastic Kev!

Hey thanks.

RandomHer0
February 13th, 2014, 03:23pm
:pound:

Blind
February 13th, 2014, 03:51pm
lol

1Morelap
February 13th, 2014, 04:26pm
Anthony did 16's. my ole chevy does 17s. :P

dscottp
February 13th, 2014, 04:31pm
Just the fact that these kits are a thing is part of the reason I'm thinking Miata.

yanrider
February 13th, 2014, 05:39pm
Maybe start a new thread, but maybe an Exocup is in the future?!?!?

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 10:37pm
OK. Back to me now. This is pushing the price range but looks promising. Thoughts?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2002-Ford-Mustang-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ565253675

wing
February 14th, 2014, 10:52pm
1.4 mil km? Lol hope that's a type o

yanrider
February 14th, 2014, 10:59pm
Seems very unmolested and clean. Color is right! Price seems a little high but it depends on conditions.


OK. Back to me now. This is pushing the price range but looks promising. Thoughts?

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2002-Ford-Mustang-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ565253675

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:00pm
It is. I had to check ;-)

Car is in Petawawa and the current owner has only had it for 5 months and didn't drive it in the winter...soooooo... he had it for like 5 minutes. Apparently his wife is telling him to get rid of it. He says that all it will need for a safety would be tires which he's willing to put on. Does the forum have connections to a garage in Petawawa that could check it out?

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:01pm
Seems very unmolested and clean. Color is right! Price seems a little high but it depends on conditions.

What are your thoughts on pricing? I have no idea what 'fair' is for the Mustang line

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:08pm
Disney stick people mod...easily worth $2000 off asking price ;-( http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j419/thisismyspace2/_20_zpsbab08ad3.jpg (http://s1084.photobucket.com/user/thisismyspace2/media/_20_zpsbab08ad3.jpg.html)

yanrider
February 14th, 2014, 11:24pm
Actually, if it's e-tested and safetied at that price, and the car checks out it is very fair. But you'll want a better seat, set of rims/tires and good brake pads asap.

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:27pm
As I don't know anyone up there would the local dealer be my best bet?

1Morelap
February 14th, 2014, 11:33pm
don't get a conv stang.

yanrider
February 14th, 2014, 11:34pm
Cross fingers for a MRacle. I don't know of any places there. Try really hard to have him come down to see the Kanata ford guys maybe? Buy him a 24 or buy it pending a satisfactory inspection and a shop of you choice?? IF that's THE one..

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:34pm
I know, I know. But I so like the idea of driving to Calabogie with the top down and my bald head flowing in the wind.

1Morelap
February 14th, 2014, 11:35pm
conv mustangs are heavier, to account for the twist.

yanrider
February 14th, 2014, 11:44pm
Whats that vert all about? If open roof is a big plus then a Camaro or Trans-AM T-top with an LS1 would be sick! But I think they're still up in the price range eah?

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:56pm
Yep. Plus I can't find any for sale right now.

Is there any truth in prices for coupes going up in the spring? I would imagine my selection would increase greatly once the cars are actually out of hibernation but if the prices reflects that...

I12XLR8
February 14th, 2014, 11:57pm
The stick people 'stang is a different car listed locally at drivetimeottawa. Too much for me and those guys are shifty looking...

pyxen
February 15th, 2014, 12:42am
if they're anything like motorcycles yeah...cause thats when everyone gets a hardon for a sportscar.

Jethro
February 15th, 2014, 08:02am
It is. I had to check ;-)

Car is in Petawawa and the current owner has only had it for 5 months and didn't drive it in the winter...soooooo... he had it for like 5 minutes. Apparently his wife is telling him to get rid of it. He says that all it will need for a safety would be tires which he's willing to put on. Does the forum have connections to a garage in Petawawa that could check it out?

Maybe call around in pet (maybe start with the ford dealer) to see if they would let you look at the car with a tech, on the hoist etc? Perhaps have them do a safety check on it while you are there so you know what it needs?

Is he selling it as is? Any tires he's going to put on you're not likely going to want to track with. If he has a safety that says tires only then negotiate minus the cost of tires and install. Just a thought.

You'd be doing a full brake job before you track it anyways so I wouldn't worry about them.

1Morelap
February 15th, 2014, 08:04am
petawawa isn't very far, pack a coffee for the trip. :)


I don't want to be that guy that's an expert on mustangs because he owned just one.. but I will be.

put 400k on mine, started to show some rust at the end. really thick car so no biggie if winter driven. but it does make bolts hard to remove.

things to look for,
squeak heard when pushing in the clutch? throw out bearing ( there's a trick to grease without trans removal , do this every oil change)

rear end bushings, they get soft, look to see if rear control arms are in the correct position.
might as well check the fronts too.

Any cracks around the rear control arm to frame of car "torque box" dragged raced stangs crack there. find a welder.
does the headlight knob come out into your hand? its fine.
You're going to need a front wheel bearing hub assembly. and a Big socket for it. really easy job.
Stock diff has friction plates. good chance they are worn, not a big deal unless you put uber sticky tires on, then you'll get one wheel peel in turn 2,6,12,17, 18, 19
And a ball joint or two.
someone will point out the massive nose dive-they don't get it, ignore them.
old style CD's get stuck in the player ( thick )
removing the fake hood scoop and wing will not improve your 1/4 mile time.
MM CC plates are mandatory. then just drive it.
I've got a box of parts or stuff lying around here taking up space

mphysk
February 15th, 2014, 08:08am
don't get a conv stang.

Yeah, they are sloooooow

Jethro
February 15th, 2014, 08:22am
I lol'd @ headlight knob.

wing
February 15th, 2014, 08:25am
Omg yes no conv. Drove a V6 conv at bogie thought I was going to die it was so floaty and twisty

pyxen
February 15th, 2014, 09:29pm
Anyone have a hookup for a car trailer or inspection/delivery service out of toronto?

Lots of good rides down there, but I don't have a ton of time to check stuff out/drive down to get it.. Its mostly the going to get it part that's a bitch..

wing
February 15th, 2014, 09:42pm
Shipping a car is cheap compared to the price of gas these days. My neighbour is a shipper if it comes to that.

pyxen
February 15th, 2014, 10:15pm
Awesome... Thanks! What's the process for getting someone to bring a used car bought off kijiji here? Do they just take the ownership and keys from the seller, load it up and go?

Do you pay the shippers for the car, and they cut the guy a cheque at that end?

I12XLR8
February 16th, 2014, 01:20am
I know this is changing the game again but as my initial buy range seems to have gone up...what about an RX-8 or an A4?

http://bit.ly/1dyDrKP

http://bit.ly/1dyDTbP

mphysk
February 16th, 2014, 09:10am
I see where this thread is going.
Check this one out for more of the same!

http://www.mco.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14696


People here have a huge amount of combined real world experience. Miata or mustang are cheap and purpose built for fun.

People will say the rx8 is fun but a pig on gas. An a4 would be wearing a work boot to do ballet.

Jethro
February 16th, 2014, 09:15am
I know this is changing the game again but as my initial buy range seems to have gone up...what about an RX-8 or an A4?

http://bit.ly/1dyDrKP

http://bit.ly/1dyDTbP

My Dudley do-rite neighbors have an rx-8 that they want to sell.
Guarantee it's never been abused and has been meticulously maintained.

But, the rotary torques....you will hate me thinks?

I agree withphysk on the a4. Consumables will theoretically be more (?).

What is your new range?
I thought you wanted to be part of the cool guy mustang club?

pyxen
February 16th, 2014, 09:17am
I brought up an A4 while playing GT6, and Phil said not to bother before i could even take another breath...

I'm leaning more and more to BMW...

tellum
February 16th, 2014, 09:28am
E36 is probably your best bet out of the box.

gchislett
February 16th, 2014, 09:31am
Don't reinvent the wheel. But, try to get one from the southern US. The rust-free bonus from a 20+ yr old car will quickly pay for itself.

I12XLR8
February 16th, 2014, 09:40am
OK, OK. I'm back on track ;-)

I do want to be part of the cool mustang club but want to make sure I am exhausting other options. I see the BMW's as a real alternative but just don't think I'll have as much fun in them and as much pride of ownership. If I don't love the car I won't want to put the time into it. They are really nice though...still on the fence.

I don't think I'll be going to get anything from the States...too easy to get a piece of sh!+ for the price I am looking to pay (under $7k now but still looking for less).

yanrider
February 16th, 2014, 09:49am
Oh gawd no.

This thread is right on the money.

Mustang

BMW

While racing in GT, vettes and bmw racecars are in front, mustangs and bmws are taking over the whole mid field and random cars are at the back.

I don't know why you keep reaching out.

If you're really not sure maybe just wait and do a few ride alongs with some of us.


I know this is changing the game again but as my initial buy range seems to have gone up...what about an RX-8 or an A4?

http://bit.ly/1dyDrKP

http://bit.ly/1dyDTbP

I12XLR8
February 16th, 2014, 10:21am
I don't know why you keep reaching out.

I'm getting advice from multiple directions and everyone has an opinion. I am trying to explore all options but Mustang is the way I'm going unless I am wowed by a BMW that I come across. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a great option.

Less learned ;-) Don't second guess MR.

Mario
February 16th, 2014, 11:05am
While racing in GT, vettes and bmw racecars are in front, mustangs and bmws are taking over the whole mid field and random cars are at the back.
and you also had in front an EVO and a STI has imports but they kept blowing shit up in the long run.

yanrider
February 16th, 2014, 11:10am
Ya thats the thing. Those cars are soo fast but just not consistent. Is it an awd thing or something? A la Talon syndrome...


and you also had in front an EVO and a STI has imports but they kept blowing shit up in the long run.

Mario
February 16th, 2014, 11:13am
THere was also an S2000 in front, but it could just not get to the top. The coming of the Vettes changed everything

Pete
February 16th, 2014, 11:14am
Ya thats the thing. Those cars are soo fast but just not consistent. Is it an awd thing or something? A la Talon syndrome...

AWD = More parts = more shit to go wrong. You can slice it many way but that will always be part of the problem.

Mario
February 16th, 2014, 11:18am
a smal 4 cylinder running 22 psi of boost, developing 400 + HP and torque is also very tough on parts when you keep it full throttle for 35 + minutes. Things overheat fast

Northern Rider
February 16th, 2014, 11:51am
I'm getting advice from multiple directions and everyone has an opinion. I am trying to explore all options but Mustang is the way I'm going unless I am wowed by a BMW that I come across. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a great option.

Less learned ;-) Don't second guess MR.

My 2 cents . . . Putting a Streetable Car on Track -
Low Purchase Price + Decent Power/Weight Ratio + Simple Mods + Big Brakes + Good Rubber = a fun, competitive Calabogie GT car that will finish races and can be driven home.
The mustang fills the bill. There will always be someone who is faster in a straight line; someone who will out corner you in the twisties . . . . but will they finish every race???

If you want a car that can lead the pack and still be driven home, then go for a Vette, C5 or newer . . .

pyxen
February 16th, 2014, 12:32pm
Just leaving this here for later maybe... http://www.uship.com/ca/car-transport/

I12XLR8
February 16th, 2014, 01:56pm
If you want a car that can lead the pack and still be driven home, then go for a Vette, C5 or newer . . .

I don't care about being in the front of the pack, I just don't want to always be 'in the way'.

gchislett
February 16th, 2014, 06:48pm
You say that now. Nothing worse than "always a bridesmaid"....