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1Morelap
June 14th, 2011, 06:44pm
Scott maxwell

www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-mustang-drivers-guide-scott-maxwell-3x3-final.pdf (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-mustang-drivers-guide-scott-maxwell-3x3-final.pdf)


Porsche guy
www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-porsche-drivers-guide-kees-nierop-3x3-final.pdf (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-porsche-drivers-guide-kees-nierop-3x3-final.pdf)


Newbs.
www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-drivers-guide-beginner.pdf (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/downloads/cmp-drivers-guide-beginner.pdf)




http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/drive/drivers-prep-2/


edited links. big fan of the scott maxwell track.

1Morelap
June 14th, 2011, 06:53pm
Looks like they can't all agree on temptation.

RandomHer0
June 14th, 2011, 08:12pm
The secret to 12 is out! Love it! If you guys look, you can literally see where these guys have pounded the grass into mud right before the turtle...


In fact if I do it correctly I will have my right front wheel at one point on the grass (or in the mud!) at the apex. I’m sure the owners of the track will edit that last line of advice out!


Looks like they can't all agree on temptation.

Just like us lol

awndray
June 14th, 2011, 11:23pm
Pff! You're welcome.

RandomHer0
June 15th, 2011, 09:18am
For?

wing
June 15th, 2011, 09:29am
Grass there was a secret? Chris P showed me that 3 years ago, you can see the grass is dead there.

Nobody can agree on temptation, Bruce was telling me he did a bunch of sector times there and it seemed like outside was fastest but it was pretty close.

RandomHer0
June 15th, 2011, 09:31am
I only heard about it last year after the Multimatic Mustangs were pounding the shit out of it.

wing
June 15th, 2011, 09:37am
Very few do that corner correctly, it's a difficult corner even if you know the line. Go straight for much longer than you would think, I almost touch the grass before turn in on the outside, then I hook in hard, unwind and gas out the front right hits just before the curbing.

Same with 14, turn early and pick off the grass on the left side with your front left wheel, the grass is dead there as well, if you turn in nice and early you get a much better shot up the hill. The road falls off and is off camber up the hill so many don't realize how much track they have to track out there.

awndray
June 15th, 2011, 09:39am
Pff! You're welcome.
Pointing out the guides in that other thread ;)

RandomHer0
June 15th, 2011, 09:40am
Oh, they've always had them, these are new though. :)

awndray
June 15th, 2011, 09:44am
Which is why I pointed them out :P

RandomHer0
June 15th, 2011, 09:47am
:high5:

GiJoe_
June 29th, 2012, 08:20am
Any one of working links to these docs?

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 08:47am
Beginners Guide.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=calabogie%20drivers%20guide&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.calabogiemotorsports.com%2Fdo wnloads%2Fcmp-drivers-guide-beginner.pdf&ei=apXtT4uDBsbB0AHzr7XCDQ&usg=AFQjCNG73OnGyO9IHBSv3HK1UvTNMxk7fQ

Gamz
June 29th, 2012, 08:51am
:coffee:

wing
June 29th, 2012, 09:45am
When I was there on weds they coned off the line. I always wondered if I was doing 10 right and it looks like I could go slightly wider, but everywhere else the cones were dead on what I drive.

Basically the same as the guide.

1Morelap
June 29th, 2012, 09:48am
The newb guide?

wing
June 29th, 2012, 12:34pm
pretty much the same no?

1Morelap
June 29th, 2012, 12:35pm
I do scotts guide.

wing
June 29th, 2012, 12:37pm
Guess I'd have to read more carefully. I do outside on temptation.

1Morelap
June 29th, 2012, 12:42pm
Come to the dark side.

wing
June 29th, 2012, 12:55pm
I've tried it, seems slower to me.

Mechs02
June 29th, 2012, 01:35pm
OUTSIDE FTW

1Morelap
June 29th, 2012, 01:42pm
I trust the racecar driver man.

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 02:31pm
Inside FTW.

mikeman
June 29th, 2012, 02:36pm
I've tried it, seems slower to me.

slow is fast?

Gamz
June 29th, 2012, 02:48pm
Inside FTW.
I should try following you for a lap to try and mimick your line.... If I can keep up that is.... I find Temptation and Big Rock the trickiest to nail.

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 02:49pm
Anytime; I'll run at your pace, no biggie.

luker
June 29th, 2012, 02:58pm
I drive 8 differently depending on what car I drive. I think all the lines I use are similar in time, but feel more comfortable one way or another depending on the dynamics of the car. In the Bimmer I come inside really early, stay there for a while and then drive out for the last apex. In a Porsche I stick much tighter in for the whole arc. In the Esteem and a couple of Hondas I take the outside line.

Not sure I agree with Scott's line for quarry. At least, I've been successfull at passing a lot of people who follow his line :D

wing
June 29th, 2012, 03:05pm
Last I spoke to Bruce his theory was both lines were basically the same in terms of time, but outside is easier to do consistently.

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 03:11pm
Never liked outside. Little room for error at ludicrous speeds.

Jethro
June 29th, 2012, 03:14pm
My honda liked the Scott Maxwell version in temptation - getting a straighter shot to 9a. The mustang likes what greg called the "school line", about 1.5 car widths from the outside edge of the track, turn in when the cone pops up between the tree and guardrail - more or less...carrying a little more speed up to the turn in point.

Had to "relearn" some stuff this year - was used to foot into carpet in the honda...that has a different effect in the mustang.

sb_915
June 29th, 2012, 03:22pm
Wow... after re-reading Scott's line, my car does exactly what he says - oversteer going up 14, understeer in quarry to oversteer at wilson's..... crazy.

maybe my setup isn't that bad after all? just need to fix the nut behind the wheel??? hmmm.....


Lots to think about!

Jethro
June 29th, 2012, 03:24pm
^ I want to ride along at some point.

Looks like a carnival ride from the side of the track.

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 03:37pm
Wow... after re-reading Scott's line, my car does exactly what he says - oversteer going up 14, understeer in quarry to oversteer at wilson's..... crazy.



I get that too, I could chew up tires all day on 14 if Im not careful...a softer rear has helped this tremendously.

sb_915
June 29th, 2012, 03:55pm
^ I want to ride along at some point.

Looks like a carnival ride from the side of the track.


Definitely! I love having passengers in the car, so next time don't be shy!

sb_915
June 29th, 2012, 03:56pm
I get that too, I could chew up tires all day on 14 if Im not careful...a softer rear has helped this tremendously.

I'm gonna play with settings at mosport in 2 weeks... go full soft, full stiff, then tune somewhere in the middle... we'll see what happens!

mightymousetech
June 29th, 2012, 05:21pm
Never liked outside. Little room for error at ludicrous speeds.

And if you ride the outside, you are hanging a big flag over your head that says "please please oh please pass me on the inside". They may be about the same times, just one is a much more defensive line.

wing
June 29th, 2012, 05:26pm
Yeah but we aren't racing. I bet though you pass. On the inside and the outside guy gets a better run down the straight and has inside. Into 10 now

Mechs02
June 29th, 2012, 05:49pm
If i need to pass someone there... and need a point by that they arent giving... i take the inside line, aim fir the door of the guy on the outside line... get'em everytime. If im not battling for a position, outside line is my fastest.

RandomHer0
June 29th, 2012, 06:02pm
Word, inside line will put you at their door easily.

Oh... Hello sir!

wing
June 29th, 2012, 06:38pm
Yeah scares people had one guy spin right has I came up to his door, not good

Mechs02
June 29th, 2012, 06:39pm
yes... race mode only. with experience drivers only.


Yeah scares people had one guy spin right has I came up to his door, not good

GoP-Demon
June 12th, 2014, 12:00pm
Anyone have a map of the passing areas? I wanted to revisit for tomorrow so I can make sure I point to the correct side.

21836

I remember there is an area after 20, after 4, after 7, after 9, not sure about after 14 to 16

wing
June 12th, 2014, 12:03pm
15 up the hill and the ones you listed. If you have an instructor don't worry about it.

And basically if it's a long straight that's it. I usually ignore 8-10 with students it's too busy.

dbg
June 12th, 2014, 12:04pm
4-5, 7-8, 9a-9b, 14-15, and 20-1 (front straight).

Only 7-8 and 20-1 are pass on left. The other three are point-over-the-top.

condor888000
June 12th, 2014, 12:05pm
9a/b isn't a great spot to point by new drivers IMO. As James said it's just too busy.

dbg
June 12th, 2014, 12:07pm
Agreed.

Mechs02
June 12th, 2014, 12:33pm
But one of the most fun spots to pass :)


9a/b isn't a great spot to point by new drivers IMO. As James said it's just too busy.

Jethro
June 12th, 2014, 12:42pm
@ full lock
over the crest.
trimming the grass as you go.
?

figo
June 12th, 2014, 12:43pm
Point by where you are comfortable, no apex, keep your line.

wing
June 12th, 2014, 12:46pm
Point by where you are comfortable, no apex, keep your line.

This is MCO day. Unfortunately the rules are very strict. Heck point by on the wrong side and they'll black flag you.

figo
June 12th, 2014, 12:48pm
oh

well pass on a yellow and they black flag too?

condor888000
June 12th, 2014, 12:49pm
Yup.

figo
June 12th, 2014, 12:54pm
It was a dirty shot at James lol I gave him a black flag

Jon.0
June 12th, 2014, 02:10pm
Heck one person points by on the wrong side and someone will black flag the entire session to call you all a bunch of morons.

Just fixing that for you.

Blind
June 12th, 2014, 02:20pm
sounds fun.

Jon.0
June 12th, 2014, 02:26pm
Hopefully, it was a one time thing by someone who just needed a Snickers.

dbg
June 12th, 2014, 05:36pm
Just fixing that for you.

LOL, I was on my first lap of the day when those flags went out. After the meeting I went back out and got checkered flag. One session, two warmup laps, done!

(Oh, and the very next session I refused to pass a car that tried to point me by on the wrong side on Rocky Road, and instead another Corvette passes both of us on the wrong side without me pointing. No black flag LOL.)

mphysk
June 12th, 2014, 06:26pm
Blew my mind how many newbs with INSTRUCTORS in the car with them pointed by in the wrong side last time

Jethro
June 12th, 2014, 06:28pm
"Point over the roof". Points finger to the left. Errrrr. Yeah.

Northern Rider
March 22nd, 2017, 08:51pm
Very few do that corner correctly, it's a difficult corner even if you know the line. Go straight for much longer than you would think, I almost touch the grass before turn in on the outside, then I hook in hard, unwind and gas out the front right hits just before the curbing.

Same with 14, turn early and pick off the grass on the left side with your front left wheel, the grass is dead there as well, if you turn in nice and early you get a much better shot up the hill. The road falls off and is off camber up the hill so many don't realize how much track they have to track out there.

Exactly my line through both those corners. Having said that, lines can be very dependent upon suspension & tire set up & how you modulate trail braking.


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